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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:47 pm |
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Afternoon All,
Exactly, it puts "easy" training hours on the books. Current UPPER management isn't familiar with ICS operations and prefer to try to micro-manage everything, or shoot from the hip. Practically every incident involving multiple companies has been a circus. Their view of ICS is the same as EMS... "we don't know it, so we won't do it."
If the next Chief comes from within the Department, it will probably be business as usual. A fresh, motivated and knowledgeable LEADER is needed, not a continuation of the current "system! What the "City Fathers" will do in this area is anyones' guess!
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:52 pm |
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looks like people have been barking up the wrong tree........If the fire chief will not listen or try to change.......where do you go next........who is the chiefs boss....easy, the commission......so who is really responsible for the problem......the commission....they are responsible for the PD problems.....and of course the fire problems.........this group of commissioners are really ignoring the problems facing public safety........may be time to ignore them at the polls.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:54 pm |
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P.S. The ICS class wasn't even taught by the RFD Training Division, but by an individual who had only recently taken the class himself. That's how important it was! This is not a slam on the instructor as he did a good job, but how much could his heart have been in it, knowing that it wouldn't be used afterwards. There were exercises, where the Incident Command role fell to firefighters who were still on probationary status, while experienced men fulfilled the jobs they are already doing. I mean, come on....
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:57 pm |
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Hello again,
Actually, the Chief serves at the pleasure of the City Manager, with the approval of the City Commission. If John tried to can the current Chief, the Commission would go along with it. Problem is that Bobby is doing everything the way Bennett wants and he sees no need to replace him with someone who might try to change things. It would make his job "harder".
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Truth Justice and the American Way
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 03:01 pm |
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Turk182 wrote: Afternoon All,
Exactly, it puts "easy" training hours on the books. Current UPPER management isn't familiar with ICS operations and prefer to try to micro-manage everything, or shoot from the hip. Practically every incident involving multiple companies has been a circus. Their view of ICS is the same as EMS... "we don't know it, so we won't do it."
If the next Chief comes from within the Department, it will probably be business as usual. A fresh, motivated and knowledgeable LEADER is needed, not a continuation of the current "system! What the "City Fathers" will do in this area is anyones' guess!
Cheers,
Turk
It just seems unbelievable in 2008 your command officers do not fully embrace modern incident command.
Did they not take the ICS class or was it just for ff ?
IC should make the chiefs job easier,allowing the first arriving unit to be The incident commander who is able to make decisions & assignments without having to check with the chief who may be miles away.
Why do they continue to look back & not forward? It's just as easy to be progressive as it is to stubbornly hang on to outdated concepts.
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 03:03 pm |
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Good Morning,
Why would the big chiefs take the ICS class when they know that they will never use it...? A waste of time to them. Their idea of running a major scene is to walk in circles around it giving orders to everyone they see, rather than staying at the CP and letting the Sector commanders run their operations.
Making the job easier is not what they are about. Wanting to control every aspect of everything is their ( at least one of their) main task. A micromanager extrodinaire'!Our first arriving officers do make decisons etc.. at the scene. At times in the past they have been countermanded by chiefs not even on the scene.
It is easier to hang onto the old ways because it's something they already know. PLUS, they didn't take the job to better the RFD, but to feather their own nests, first and foremost. One of the DCs has practically worn out all of his vehicles, and goodness knows how much gas, running all over the state trying to build personal political power....time that should have been spent trying to better the Department.
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Turk
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 03:30 pm |
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Turk,
thank you for a snapshot of the Rome Fire Dept.
When Chief M does decide to retire..........we the citizens & you the firefighters must put some pressure on the city manager to bring in someone from the outside with demonstrated progressive management skills.
RFD is a big dept. for NW Ga. It should be like the army...... be all it can be, again.
Do you know the salery range for fire chief?
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 07:50 pm |
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| its public info. i can't remember where i saw it but it should be right at 100K
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 09:20 pm |
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whitewagon wrote: its public info. i can't remember where i saw it but it should be right at 100K
That should be enough to attract a quality person to lead a dept.that needs a lot of work.
The city manager & commissioners have to admit there needs to be improvement, & I don't think they want to see any problems.
I bet a new chief will be another good ol boy with little management ability & skills,& no vision............just like now.
It's always 1970 at the RFD.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 06:40 pm |
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| that is top out pay by the way. you hold one position for 20 years and you are going to be topped out. i can't remember what starting pay is for it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 06:24 pm |
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| Why aren't these people wearing the proper PPE. Anybody from the FD care to comment on this? Attachment: PPE.jpg (Downloaded 44 times)
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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| They are in a let it burn to the ground mode. What more do they need?
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 06:33 pm |
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Capo: Care to explain to us lay-folks what is missing in the way of PPE? The look fairly well protected to me.
-CW
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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Proper PPE includes the SCBA. From the distance these firefighters are from the structure they should have their SCBA at least partially donned. In the event of sudden explosion they are not properly protected.
It is common in the fire service for firefighters to doff the SCBA when they are protecting exposures, fighting car fires, or performing overhaul. However this is an unsafe and unacceptable practice.
Many departments are beginning to require SCBA be worn at all times on "ANY" fire scene. Some departments are also not allowing overhaul to commence until Co2 levels are determined to be within safe levels.
Itr's all about safety. At my local department the picture shown would be indicative of an unsafe scene and would require the SCBA to be donned, but not operational. In other words, The SCBA should be on their back, the facepiece should be in place and the regulator would not be in place , but at the ready.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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Ok. I am no where near a FF but like I said they looked pretty protected to me. I guess to my untrained mind I tend to think of the SCBA as a tool to enter the fire, confined area, etc. I did not realy think that SCBA would be considered PPE in the same way that the fire hose, while an intragal part of fighting fires would not be PPE.
Thanks for the insight.
-CW
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