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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 03:49 am |
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| How about it RNW. How about some of that investigative reporting you did for the EMS guys. There is just as much or more going on here at the good ol' RFD.
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oldguy
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 04:19 pm |
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Hey guys get out your NEW edition of N.F.P.A. standards & see how you rate.Since this area is not restricted to ems issues alone.
RNW.................I'll throw out some NFPA standards to ask THE chief &
Mr.John Bennett if their Fire Dept. is in compilance with.Yes Mr.John Bennett You are also responsible.
NFPA 1583,1911,1021,1403,1404,1521,1561,1582,1583,1584,1710,1852.......ON & ON & ON & ON.
I for one have no idea at all, but if RFD is soo far behind in one area like ems, it would be very easy, with that type culture ,to be behind in other areas too.
I hope you are compilant with all these standards because.............
Firefighter safety is the command staffs #1 priority.
Are you trained on NIMS,ICS/IMS,..if so do you use it properly,with trained command teams,command boards,accountability of every person at all times,PAR.1 man can get overwhelmed quickly with all the information coming in.
How about certified SAFETY OFFICERS at every working incident,including MVA/entrapment.
How about a trained & equipped RIT team at every working incident. 2 in 2 out.
Rehab sector with sector commander & rotate crews in & out as they rehydrate.
NFPA Standards are a guideline to run FD operations at a best practices level....but they will hold up in court. That means city & county liability $$$, if something ever happens like LODD.
I don't know about any of this....................I'm just one little old guy who lives in Floyd County that hears you guys & feels that the command staff has let down the great firefighters of the RFD.
Yes Mr.John Bennett you let them & us citizens down also. How about a comment.
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Leatherhead
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 04:50 pm |
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 Looks like they have all tucked and ran Oldguy. You put some pretty interesting NFPA codes up there. I am betting you won't get any answers on here about this stuff. I think they like things the way they were before, If no one knows and we keep our firefighters scared of getting terminated, we can run this any old way we want to. To hell with those NFPA codes. Whtas that stuff , a bunch of Yankees up north tryun to tell us farrfighters what ta do down heah in da souf. I would be curious to see how many firefighters, command staff, chiefs, captains have actually attended the National Fire academy and have some actual credentials to their name. Anybody want to answer that question. Matter of fact lets put some names up here on the board, anybody care to list the command structure of Rome Fire here?
Also out of curiosity, did anyone feel a little left out when instead of promoting within the department hired an outsider, Scott Silvey, the fire marshal? Is it none of you have had the classes, desire or abilty to fill this position?  Last edited on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 04:53 pm by Leatherhead
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oldguy
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 06:38 pm |
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Leatherhead,the part about "if no one knows we can run the dept. anyway we want"
just ain't true anymore now is it.
I know,you know,the FF's know,command knows,& Mr. John Bennett knows.
Now with RNW hopefully asking some hard questions........everyone else will know about the failures of command.
You are listening arn't you RNW ?
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Turk182
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 10:39 pm |
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Good Evening everyone,
Just a couple of brief comments here regarding the previous remarks;
It seems to me that the RFD command only follows the NFPA Standards which don't cost much, or anything to implement and don't go against "their way of doing things". There has been some "online" NIMS Training, but let's don't go there. The FD admin. may or may not espouse Incident Command, but when certain high ranking chiefs arrive at a large scene they are very reluctant to "give away" any of their command authority. They prefer to try "micro-manage the incident" and run all aspects themselves.
RIT, isn't that a material dye? :-) Man, we can't even hardly get enough men at a scene to fight a fire, much less have a RIT.
There is a PAR system in place, to a certain degree
Running things how we want to if no one knows isn't just a FD management thing. I have heard more than once from City Rep.s that " we will do anything we want to do until someone challenges us". (Or words similar)
Regarding the appointment of Scott Silvey to Fire Marshall, it certainly soured some feelings. At least three of the other candidate had college degrees, ranging from an associate in Fire Science to a 4 year degree in FD Administration. Unfortunately, none of them was one of the administration's "fair haired boys". Scott seems to be trying to do a good job, but he has stuck his head into a hornet's nest. High chiefs are trying to reduce his authority in the FD by requiring him to report to a deputy chief, rather than the "big Chief" (another matter of micro management?), he is not allowed to run his bureau in the manner he chooses, and has been denied promoting an assistant Fire Marshall to help should the load of the job. Hmmmm wonder why they are not filling the asst. Fire Marshall position? Could it be that the most qualified man in the BFP was one of those denied the Fire Marshall's job and is still not one of the administrations' favorites? Could it be that the FD administration is afraid to promote anyone because they don't want to incur the wrath of another BFP member who thinks that the job should go to them?
More later, maybe.
Cheers
Turk
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 10:47 pm |
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Good Evening "Rescue Me",
I hope that I have misinterpreted your message in regard to the "beheading" of the FD management. Your desire for promotion without having to wait for someone to die is admirable, but the sentiment seems out of place, somehow. The "beheading" would be intended to improve the FD and the lot of the men, not to give promotions to folks. To suggest such a thing for personal gain would put you in the same category as the current "higher ups" and we don't need any more of that.
Having talked to some of the "old guys" at the RFD, let me assure you that very few of them are staying on the job because they want to. Most would prefer to be gone, but under current City Policies, that is impossible.
Cheers,
Turk
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oldguy
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 02:27 am |
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Turk ,
it's not so hard to get a RIT team in place pretty fast....... if you send an extra engine on the first alarm.Just upgrade the assignment on every possible structure fire & have them dispached as the dedicated RIT.
However............any RIT must be trained in RIT
How many Capt.'s & Chief's are certifed Safety officers at RFD ?
Sometimes you just have to think out of the box.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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After reading some of the beginning comments to this topic, I feel compelled to speak up about how this is starting out.
One, please don't mention someone and associate them with some problem area that they have no control over and leave it without a full explanation. Scott Silvey had no control over hiring procedures. He applied, he was hired. He's given 100% to this dept., city, and county. And as someone else has mentioned, he doesn't appear to be getting the support and resources that will allow him to give the citizens the best service.
Two. What's up with this "old guy" comment. These so called "old guys" are probably our most valuable asset. They have a wealth of experience to draw from and experience is everything in this business. The "old guys" have saved the "young guys" butts on more than one occasion. The department is going to be losing many exceptional men in the positions of battalion chief, captain, and sergeant over the next several years. They're probably a big reason that there hasn't been a line-of-duty death within the department. To the one wanting to get promoted, well, I hope your up to the task.
Three. There have been a lot of acronyms and numbers thrown out. The public has no idea what your talking about. Take some time and explain them. Educate the citizens. The politicians won't move until pressed by an informed public. And the politicians may not understand these issue's either. Make sure the community we protect understands what we do, how we do it, and why it is so important to their safety. We help protect our citizen's first right- the right to life.
And lastly, lets keep this to issues and not make it personal. I know there are hard feelings and emotions are hard to control. As firemedic stated, accusations and airing dirty laundry only make people come across as disgruntled employees. You don't have to be loyal to the leaders, but be loyal to your department, the job, and the citizens.
Let's have some more discussion. There are issues that haven't even been brought up. And you guys from other departments, chime on in, tell us the differences in pay, retirement, staffing, safety procedures, etc...
And if you don't agree, flame away, I know how to stop, drop, and roll!!
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RomeNewswire
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 06:29 pm |
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bozilla wrote: After reading some of the beginning comments to this topic, I feel compelled to speak up about how this is starting out.
One, please don't mention someone and associate them with some problem area that they have no control over and leave it without a full explanation. Scott Silvey had no control over hiring procedures. He applied, he was hired. He's given 100% to this dept., city, and county. And as someone else has mentioned, he doesn't appear to be getting the support and resources that will allow him to give the citizens the best service.
Two. What's up with this "old guy" comment. These so called "old guys" are probably our most valuable asset. They have a wealth of experience to draw from and experience is everything in this business. The "old guys" have saved the "young guys" butts on more than one occasion. The department is going to be losing many exceptional men in the positions of battalion chief, captain, and sergeant over the next several years. They're probably a big reason that there hasn't been a line-of-duty death within the department. To the one wanting to get promoted, well, I hope your up to the task.
Three. There have been a lot of acronyms and numbers thrown out. The public has no idea what your talking about. Take some time and explain them. Educate the citizens. The politicians won't move until pressed by an informed public. And the politicians may not understand these issue's either. Make sure the community we protect understands what we do, how we do it, and why it is so important to their safety. We help protect our citizen's first right- the right to life.
And lastly, lets keep this to issues and not make it personal. I know there are hard feelings and emotions are hard to control. As firemedic stated, accusations and airing dirty laundry only make people come across as disgruntled employees. You don't have to be loyal to the leaders, but be loyal to your department, the job, and the citizens.
Let's have some more discussion. There are issues that haven't even been brought up. And you guys from other departments, chime on in, tell us the differences in pay, retirement, staffing, safety procedures, etc...
And if you don't agree, flame away, I know how to stop, drop, and roll!!
I agree that this should be kept to the issues and not made personal.
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fudge84
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 06:48 pm |
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| I believe it was leatherhead that asked why hasnt the RFD moved forward. Some of the things I am reading here are what I experienced while there.
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fudge84
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 07:02 pm |
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Let me go this route with out making it personal.
Who is responsible for the fire dept. as a whole and its direction? Who is to ensure that the department keeps moving forward as technology and the public needs change? I could go on and on and on about the "Who is" but I think I made my point from those 2.
Now, the top man can delegate to his assistants different tasks to be performed. The assistants can delegate on down the line.(point made I hope.) This brings me back to my first question, Who is over all responsible for the department and its direction?
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oldguy
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 08:26 pm |
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fudge84 wrote: Let me go this route with out making it personal.
Who is responsible for the fire dept. as a whole and its direction? Who is to ensure that the department keeps moving forward as technology and the public needs change? I could go on and on and on about the "Who is" but I think I made my point from those 2.
Now, the top man can delegate to his assistants different tasks to be performed. The assistants can delegate on down the line.(point made I hope.) This brings me back to my first question, Who is over all responsible for the department and its direction?
I know,I know,I know the answer fudge,call on me..........
Oh ya...... lets not make it personal,never mind.
With out being able to answer that question we might as well just watch Oprah.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 08:50 pm |
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fudge84 wrote: Let me go this route with out making it personal.
Who is responsible for the fire dept. as a whole and its direction? Who is to ensure that the department keeps moving forward as technology and the public needs change? I could go on and on and on about the "Who is" but I think I made my point from those 2.
Now, the top man can delegate to his assistants different tasks to be performed. The assistants can delegate on down the line.(point made I hope.) This brings me back to my first question, Who is over all responsible for the department and its direction?
It must be difficult for some to believe but.............. the answer to the WHO ..........is the reason for all the issues we are reading about here.
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fudge84
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 10:27 pm |
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bozilla wrote:
Let's have some more discussion. There are issues that haven't even been brought up. And you guys from other departments, chime on in, tell us the differences in pay, retirement, staffing, safety procedures, etc...
And if you don't agree, flame away, I know how to stop, drop, and roll!!
These are all being covered elsewhere.
Lets hear those issues. I dont think that they will explain why the dept. is behind
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 10:54 pm |
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| well written. will be keeping a close watch on this. may be of help. hopefully will stay professional and not personal.
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