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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 03:04 pm |
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Bartow and Gordon counties, after research and study, have resolved to start a drug court. The neighboring counties have the foresight to understand that many of the crimes in their communities stem from drug addiction. The conventional sentencing for crimes only perpetuates the problem in these cases. The counties also do this to try to save it's taxpayers money and provide better protection of property. You want to do something about the Meth Epidemic..................conventional punishment is not the answer. We in Floyd Co. need this type of program that specifically looks at the collateral crimes that are results of drug addiction. Lets see if we can catch up to these thriving counties in this arena.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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ah, finally a disagreement.......................................See, I'm of the opinion that we should spend our money removing drug addicts from society so that they don't harm others, steal from others and drain our social safety nets; even if the removal is only for a few years at a time...........................
It is my opinion that Catching the doper................locking him/her away for a few years...........................releasing..................................and then waiting a few months for them to be caught again is MUCH safer for society, MUCH less of a drain on our social safety nets and causes a drop in crime THAN DOES namby pambying these folks who CHOSE to be in the situation they're in, by telling them it's not their fault, they're sick, it's our responsibility to help them, when they steal or maim they should blame it on those Mean ole courts who only lock them away........................because, it has been my experience, that the latter option, ends when the courts FINALLY realize that a person has played the system for 15 years and FINALLY lock them away....................I'm not happy that the doper was allowed to victimize society for 15 years before receiving their just desserts.............
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BillT962
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 10:10 pm |
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You two really don't have a disagreement. You just offer slightly nuanced approach differences.
FACT: No State or Nation has ever built its way out of a crime problem.
FACT: We will have to quintuple our bed space to lock up the dopers who commit ancillary crimes. And that's just a start.
FACT: We don't have the resources to do the above.
Notice I didn't offer an answer. Just more questions
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Optimus Prime
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:14 am |
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Maybe the above is not the answer...............................and I feel like RGS, but I do know the the same ole same isn't/hasn't worked!
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 11:15 am |
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Well, if we're just gonna throw money at stuff and see if it works..................................legalize it...................................I'd rather my retirement fund increase due to pharmaceutical companies being in my portfolio, and they'd be the ones selling the drugs, than see billy bob the scumbag earn all the money..........................
large pharmaceutical and chemical companies could produce and distribute methamphetamine MUCH more cheaply than Billy Bob........................................and a generation from now, we can sue the companies for selling us what we wanted them to sell us..................................................
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 02:25 pm |
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They have already done this in Amsterdam............little red pill.
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:24 pm |
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As most of us know, the illegalization of meth, opiates, marijuana, and such is a 20th century concept. These substances were illegalized in the wake of a puritanical era, in which the govt decided that it was it's place to deem what is "immoral" and codify it.
Now I'm a law and order kind of guy, but the present "war on drugs" is not that different from "prohibition". Prior to all these substances being illegal, they were relatively safely marketed by legitimate (well, what was considered to be legitimate at the time) companies.
Much like we eventually realized with prohibtion, the illegalization of certain narcotics has only created a narfarious network of very dangerous criminals. Considering the average "mark-up" on street narcotics is approximately 85%, no wonder thugs can make so much money. Just think what would happen to drug dealers if the drugs were legalized and commerically marketed. If walgreens started selling cocaine, they would sell it with about a 15% or so mark-up. It would no longer be profitable to sell drugs on the street, when billy bob could get it a whole lot cheaper at the store. By driving the prices down, addicts wouldnt be required to steal as much to pay for their poisons. Not to mention you take away the "rebellious use" factor. I mean, how many kids start experimenting with drugs just b/c they're not supposed to?
Now, lets put things in prospective. Alcohol, cigarrettes, prosititution, and narcotics are all vices, so to speak. No good comes from them, and continued use leads to unhealthy bad things. However, much like with alcohol, illegalizing it didnt make people stop wanting it, it just made them do illegal things to get it. If you illegalized cigarettes, would everyone just stop smoking them?
I believe that it is a person's natural right to ruin their own lives. The govt should have no say so, what so ever as to what billy bob wants to put in his body. Much like prohibition, a ton of resources, money, and lives have been wasted on an uncontrollable problem. The govt would fair better to readjust it's fire on a problems that are more a threat to society at large. Like keeping violent felons in prison.
All of that being said. I don't advocate illicit drug use, and I can honestly say that I have never used any type of illegal drug, or would I if any of them were legal. I'm just a realist. "Crimes against public morals" or "vice crimes" are often unpopular and uncontrollable.
But what do I know.
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:40 pm |
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Cobra Commander wrote: As most of us know, the illegalization of meth, opiates, marijuana, and such is a 20th century concept. These substances were illegalized in the wake of a puritanical era, in which the govt decided that it was it's place to deem what is "immoral" and codify it.
Now I'm a law and order kind of guy, but the present "war on drugs" is not that different from "prohibition". Prior to all these substances being illegal, they were relatively safely marketed by legitimate (well, what was considered to be legitimate at the time) companies.
Much like we eventually realized with prohibtion, the illegalization of certain narcotics has only created a narfarious network of very dangerous criminals. Considering the average "mark-up" on street narcotics is approximately 85%, no wonder thugs can make so much money. Just think what would happen to drug dealers if the drugs were legalized and commerically marketed. If walgreens started selling cocaine, they would sell it with about a 15% or so mark-up. It would no longer be profitable to sell drugs on the street, when billy bob could get it a whole lot cheaper at the store. By driving the prices down, addicts wouldnt be required to steal as much to pay for their poisons. Not to mention you take away the "rebellious use" factor. I mean, how many kids start experimenting with drugs just b/c they're not supposed to?
Now, lets put things in prospective. Alcohol, cigarrettes, prosititution, and narcotics are all vices, so to speak. No good comes from them, and continued use leads to unhealthy bad things. However, much like with alcohol, illegalizing it didnt make people stop wanting it, it just made them do illegal things to get it. If you illegalized cigarettes, would everyone just stop smoking them?
I believe that it is a person's natural right to ruin their own lives. The govt should have no say so, what so ever as to what billy bob wants to put in his body. Much like prohibition, a ton of resources, money, and lives have been wasted on an uncontrollable problem. The govt would fair better to readjust it's fire on a problems that are more a threat to society at large. Like keeping violent felons in prison.
All of that being said. I don't advocate illicit drug use, and I can honestly say that I have never used any type of illegal drug, or would I if any of them were legal. I'm just a realist. "Crimes against public morals" or "vice crimes" are often unpopular and uncontrollable.
But what do I know.
wow. I'm impressed.
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 07:36 am |
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| Impressed in a good way or in the baaaaaad way?
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 05:58 pm |
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Cobra Commander wrote: Impressed in a good way or in the baaaaaad way?
good way, in terms of your research and your conclusions.
wow.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 06:20 am |
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I go back and forth with legalization. Drugs that mellow you out is one thing (many could use a little mellowing, in my opinion), but drugs that make you violent and desperate is different.
Pharmocological machine is doing to the same thing with mood altering/stabilizing drugs. Over half the people I know and work with in the professional world got on some kind of "assist" when they were going through a rough spell and years later they are still filling the prescrip. Bad times don't last forever, but these prescription drugs perpetuate the inability to cope with life because you never really get over the rough spell, just got numb to it for a while, and now you have a little friend riding your back.
Not a doctor or psychologist, just have an opinion and enjoy a bad mood every now and then.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 12:15 pm |
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romegasir wrote: ah, finally a disagreement.......................................See, I'm of the opinion that we should spend our money removing drug addicts from society so that they don't harm others, steal from others and drain our social safety nets; even if the removal is only for a few years at a time...........................
It is my opinion that Catching the doper................locking him/her away for a few years...........................releasing..................................and then waiting a few months for them to be caught again is MUCH safer for society, MUCH less of a drain on our social safety nets and causes a drop in crime THAN DOES namby pambying these folks who CHOSE to be in the situation they're in, by telling them it's not their fault, they're sick, it's our responsibility to help them, when they steal or maim they should blame it on those Mean ole courts who only lock them away........................because, it has been my experience, that the latter option, ends when the courts FINALLY realize that a person has played the system for 15 years and FINALLY lock them away....................I'm not happy that the doper was allowed to victimize society for 15 years before receiving their just desserts.............
Well RGS, I think you know that I agree with you in principle. I just say, there ain't no way. There is not enough acreage in Floyd County to build a facility big enough to lock away all the dopers. Unless of course, you want to put bars on the footbridge and turn the forum and the library into a max prison.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 01:43 pm |
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| The biggest problem with legalization would be the need to do away with large government agencies like the DEA. Money is what makes things "right or wrong".
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 02:39 am |
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| Ok here is the solution for Georgia. Instead of spending time trying to get the criminals to do the right thing, giving second and third chances to people who no matter what you still are going to do what they want. We take one of the georgia coast islands( I dont know which one just pick one that is far enough away that they cant swim back) and convert it to the Super Georgia Prison. It would be for men and women. Repeat offenders would be sent there. No prison walls just a beautiful Georgia Island . Let them live how ever they wanted to live each other. Once on the island they stay on the island for the rest of their life. Oh we could provide them with an air drop of supplies every now and then, but the rest is up to them. This way they can live out their lives free and do what they want, just not around us. They decided to live not by the laws here, so they could just live lawlessly there. Only people they would offend would be other offenders. They wouldnt have the comforts of all the free stuff we are already giving them. Food stamps, medicare wouldnt be needed they would be responsible for their own care. They could rob their neighbor and the neighbor could rob them back. We wouldnt hear of our police officers being injured by a three time loser not wanting to go back to prison , or a woman being raped by a person who should have never gotten out of jail to begin with. Child molestors wouldnt be able to harm our children or grandchildren repeatedly. I know it seems far fetched ,this fantastic idea I have, But if the rest of you think this drug court thing would work your just as far fetched as I am. Liberals want courts like that. Whats the recovery rate for methamphetamine addicts, something like 3-5%. Lock them up , throw away the keys. That way they wont poison our chilren with their problems, kill and rob people while trying to get their next fix , or while driving under the influence of the drugs. We could change the laws to let the judge be held responsible for the people that they chose to give the second and third chance to. That way the judge could be sued by the familys of people who were killed by someone the judge gave the second chance to who was high on drugs. Im sure with that in mind the judges wouldnt be so fast to give second third and fourth chances.
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 09:58 pm |
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Cobra Commander wrote: As most of us know, the illegalization of meth, opiates, marijuana, and such is a 20th century concept.
Meth and opiates are only illegal if not prescribed by a licensed physician/psychologist,
Methamphetamines are still prescribed for ADHD, Obesity and Narcolepsy. Opiates
are still also in wide use and while several states have passed Medical Marijuana
laws the Federal government still doesnt recognize the drug as legal, Much of the
drug abuse problems in the US are due to abuse of these 'legal' drugs
the wrong evils are being outlawed when you consider that the 'safe' FDA approved
drugs are killing more people each year than marijuana has in the last 10,000 years
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