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BillT962
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 10:50 am |
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romegasir wrote: skimping on public safety, as floyd county has done for years, has one effect that can be seen today and in the future............................................less bang for the buck.......................................................
spending tens of thousands of dollars to train people for other counties can not be cost effective or public safety effective, no matter how you look at it.......................................................
Polk and Bartow have now and will continue to increase the gap in the number of good officers on the force vs. the "shouldn't be officers in the first place', while floyd county will pick up the scraps....................................................while Rome City Police laugh and say "yep, to save money we're going to hold open four vacancies"...floyd county cries and says "we have to hire anyone we can and just hope and pray they stay for a few months..........
Would you rather pay for police officer CANDIDATES to sit at the academy and learn.......................................or would you rather pay police officers to do law enforcement??????????????????? that's the question, and one that floyd county has answered loud and clear...............................
Belt tightening and "dire times" mean more crime, not less..................................the knowledge of career criminals that floyd county is extremely short-handed, and those that are on the force are not allowed to patrol, will lead to more brazen crimes...........................if you think times are tough because you can barely makes ends meet,,,,,,just wait til those "ends" are stolen on a regular basis.................
It's sad because floyd county police was once the place where everyone wanted to work and where the best officers and cadets came and stayed....................................now it is the training academy of northwest georgia law enforcement..........................................the only way that can be justified by bean counters is that they dont' know how to correctly count beans, or their plan is to destroy the county police little by little..............................if they're stupid, vote them out...................................if they're planning on destroying local law enforcement, Keep Them In, because you couldn't find a better set of commissioners for succeeding in their plans................
Arguendo, what about merging all LE in Floyd County, or at least the two County Agencies.
It makes perfect sense. Perfect sense. The only ones who won't like this will be a few who may lose their status within an Agency (and I understand that) and the County Commissioners who won't have dictatorial control over the County Police any longer
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 11:49 am |
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jpgreen007 wrote: Now to get rid of all these nasty loud fighting chickens across the road from me... any ideas anyone???......jpgreen I large cook out maybe would help!
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 02:08 pm |
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Police looking for men who robbed store.
Things are getting better! GEESH!
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 06:47 pm |
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Ok, I've held my tounge on this subject for quite a while, but even my restraint have a breaking point.
The city is reducing several officer's pay by 1.5%, they claim they can no longer afford to have as many patrol cars on the road, and that we're in such a city-wide budget crisis that we can not afford fill four open patrol officers positions. Not to mention that if more officers leave, those positions too will go unfilled.
With all that being said, I pray you to read this...
CITY OFFERS FREE BUS RIDES...
It’s been said that there are no free rides or free lunches, but on Tuesday (Today) both will be offered at the Rome Transit Department’s Annual Rider Appreciation Day. RTD is hosting this event at the Midtown Transit Station in conjunction with a Transportation Expo.
This event is intended to show appreciation to the loyal passengers of RTD and introduce new passengers to their services. RTD will be offering free rides all day and will offer free lunch from 11am-1pm at the Midtown Station.http://www.romega.us/rtd.
Now, I'm now economist, or am I am a specialist in fuel consumption. But, my guess is that it cost a great deal of our money to fuel these buses. If we can't afford to meet the needs of public safety and employee rentention, how can we afford this?
According to the city manager's office. The RTD is always over budget (along with "GOLF DEPARTMENT!!!!"), and must always be supplemented with money from the general fund.
Now, I'm sure this will be countered with the usual "We did this with special grant money". Just like the foot bridge and must of the other pork projects that are forced down our throats. Even if this was partly funded by a grant, I doubt the tax buyers did not foot some of the bill. No different than the grant arugement with the foot bridge. BTW, how many millions of dollars was the foot bridge over budget? Oh and aren't we building some "Tree House" @ ridge ferry park? I'm sure that partly funded by a grant, but I wonder. Do these grants cover labor costs (i.e. govt employees salary and benefits while contructing the structure)? Do these grants cover fuel cost to and from the work site? Do they cover worker's comp issues when on the job injuries occur? Or do they just cover the planning phase, and materials cost? And if they are like most other govt grants, they typically only cover a portion of the materials cost.
If times are sooooo tough, how are we able to afford all of these worthless pork projects. Maybe it's time we start questioning those who perfer the "other white meat".
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 06:59 pm |
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This would be a good time to send a visual. Everyone that's a LEO (or supports their cause) should park their cars and ride the bus. 
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 07:11 pm |
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I've been a causal observer of this site for a while now. I guess I never saw a need to post anything, I just like reading it. But i got a lot friends that work for the city police and some county police. And what theyre doing to them aint right.
A lot of them have told me about cutting there pay by 1 or more percent. The city can afford all this other stupid stuff that they buy and build, but they can't afford to police cars on the road and they cant afford to give the police officers the money they was already making? Most places (like floyd county) are saying "hey, we arent paying our guys enough, maybe we should give them a raise". Not the city of rome, no sir. they want to take money away from them away from them and give them less the next year. Yep thats right, they told me that next year they cant get but a 3 percent raise. Year before last they got 5 and last year they knock em down to a 4. Now theyre just getting a three? All the guys that did a good job last year that got a 4 percent are getting down 3. How would that make you feel. On top of that they "gotta pay back" the 1% they got this year. Yep, next year theyre gonna hold back 1 percent of theyre money for 6 or 7 months.
We got some problems here. All my buddies are mad about this, some of them (good guys with alot of experience) are talking going to other counties to work. I dont know what the citys done with our money, but I know that it aint going where I want it to!
Oh, all of this 100 percent true. One of my buddy's showed me the letter he got with his paycheck last week that said all of that stuff I wrote.
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 07:18 pm |
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ModelUGAdad wrote: I've been a causal observer of this site for a while now. I guess I never saw a need to post anything, I just like reading it. But i got a lot friends that work for the city police and some county police. And what theyre doing to them aint right.
A lot of them have told me about cutting there pay by 1 or more percent. The city can afford all this other stupid stuff that they buy and build, but they can't afford to police cars on the road and they cant afford to give the police officers the money they was already making? Most places (like floyd county) are saying "hey, we arent paying our guys enough, maybe we should give them a raise". Not the city of rome, no sir. they want to take money away from them away from them and give them less the next year. Yep thats right, they told me that next year they cant get but a 3 percent raise. Year before last they got 5 and last year they knock em down to a 4. Now theyre just getting a three? All the guys that did a good job last year that got a 4 percent are getting down 3. How would that make you feel. On top of that they "gotta pay back" the 1% they got this year. Yep, next year theyre gonna hold back 1 percent of theyre money for 6 or 7 months.
We got some problems here. All my buddies are mad about this, some of them (good guys with alot of experience) are talking going to other counties to work. I dont know what the citys done with our money, but I know that it aint going where I want it to!
Oh, all of this 100 percent true. One of my buddy's showed me the letter he got with his paycheck last week that said all of that stuff I wrote.
Its amazing isnt it. My husband told me about this. A couple of his buddies are talking about quitting too. Not that anyone will care, they never did. Its hard to believe that any employer would treat their people like this. Just like with the county, the city's gonna get what the paid for. You can't expect to pay police officers less and get the same kind of effort or attitude out of them. I wouldnt! One of my hubby's friends said that they've threaten all the officers with layoffs if they didnt accept the money loss.
Times are tough, believe me I know. But the dept my husband works for is cutting cost in other places. They aint taking cops off the road or cutting their pay. The govt he works for is cutting stuff they dont need. Seems like rome always does things the backwards way. IMGAINE THAT!!!
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 07:27 pm |
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| Oh yeah. I was wondering the other day why none of the city cops will get on hear and voice the opinions. Like the countys did about their pay. My hubby said that if it's like it was when he was there, they're probably all scared to, because they'd get in troube if anyone found out that they were complaining about stuff. Thats awfuL! Notice that the countys all got on here and their chief told them that they should voice theyre minds as long as they were respectful. Guess the county chief sees that there was a problem that needed to be fixed, guess he cares. If any of the cityy commisioners are watching this, it seems that theyre not doing anything to help theyre police officers out of this situation. all of them have full time jobs and get paid to be commissioners, maybe they could give up some of their commissioner money so the people that depend on theyre full time job wouldnt lose theirs.
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BillT962
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 07:43 pm |
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| Yes you are so right. but keep in mind, no matter how little they pay, they are always going to get far more than what they are paying for. That is a disgustingly true fact.
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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Cobra Commander wrote: Ok, I've held my tounge on this subject for quite a while, but even my restraint have a breaking point.
The city is reducing several officer's pay by 1.5%, they claim they can no longer afford to have as many patrol cars on the road, and that we're in such a city-wide budget crisis that we can not afford fill four open patrol officers positions. Not to mention that if more officers leave, those positions too will go unfilled.
With all that being said, I pray you to read this...
CITY OFFERS FREE BUS RIDES...
It’s been said that there are no free rides or free lunches, but on Tuesday (Today) both will be offered at the Rome Transit Department’s Annual Rider Appreciation Day. RTD is hosting this event at the Midtown Transit Station in conjunction with a Transportation Expo.
This event is intended to show appreciation to the loyal passengers of RTD and introduce new passengers to their services. RTD will be offering free rides all day and will offer free lunch from 11am-1pm at the Midtown Station.http://www.romega.us/rtd.
Now, I'm now economist, or am I am a specialist in fuel consumption. But, my guess is that it cost a great deal of our money to fuel these buses. If we can't afford to meet the needs of public safety and employee rentention, how can we afford this?
According to the city manager's office. The RTD is always over budget (along with "GOLF DEPARTMENT!!!!"), and must always be supplemented with money from the general fund.
Now, I'm sure this will be countered with the usual "We did this with special grant money". Just like the foot bridge and must of the other pork projects that are forced down our throats. Even if this was partly funded by a grant, I doubt the tax buyers did not foot some of the bill. No different than the grant arugement with the foot bridge. BTW, how many millions of dollars was the foot bridge over budget? Oh and aren't we building some "Tree House" @ ridge ferry park? I'm sure that partly funded by a grant, but I wonder. Do these grants cover labor costs (i.e. govt employees salary and benefits while contructing the structure)? Do these grants cover fuel cost to and from the work site? Do they cover worker's comp issues when on the job injuries occur? Or do they just cover the planning phase, and materials cost? And if they are like most other govt grants, they typically only cover a portion of the materials cost.
If times are sooooo tough, how are we able to afford all of these worthless pork projects. Maybe it's time we start questioning those who perfer the "other white meat".
Holy Moly........come-on, not everything is about LE! All depts are getting hammered. This is an annual event used to raise awareness of the rtd system and hopefully increase usage so that it can stop needing to be supplemented.
The busses will always run because with gas prices going up many folks are going to have to start using them.......and Rome is just that big now. The cost of the free lunch and free rides today.....ok how do you want to split that $1000(I'm being very generous I suspect!) up? More cost in doing the paperwork to spread it out over RPD's salaries. Next I suppose your gonna gripe because the city is gonna buy 4 new busses this year?
-CW
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 07:51 pm |
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Don't get me wrong.....I agree....LE is in need of some lifting up in all this but come on.....your pounding the same thing over and over and are starting to sound stupid.
-CW
edited to add......Cobra, its not just you that is starting to sound like a broken record.....just sorta went off on your post though. The 'your' in the above is the collective you of several folks on the board not you personally. Nothing personal
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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Tree house?!?!? It is 100% funded from donations (from citizens) and like-kind gifts from city, county, and businesses in town.
So yes, your tax dollars will likely pay for a few folks from public works to go out there with some equipment. Fine with me, I'd rather they work on that than get layed off because the county can not afford to keep them busy.
Get a grip on reality, government is more than LE and Public Saftey......yes they are a major part of it but I'm tired of hearing you say that every expenditure that does not go to LE is useless!
*rant over- sorry for further hi-jacking the thread.
-CW
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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So what you're saying is, that b/c all the city dept's are in a budget crunch, that the police dept is not immune. Well, I partly argee w/ that. Ok, so if you have to reduce some emplyees pay, then it's not fair unless you reduce all the employees pay, right?
Well, I think there's an inherent difference between the guy who picks up yard waste, and the guy that had a baby die in his arms. Seems that one should be looked at in a different light.
CW, I think you're missing the point. I guess you have that standard view of "Cops and firemen are govt workers no different than meter readers". I don't think that cops should be paid enormous salaries, but I do think they deserve fair wages, and the security to know that their pay will not be suddenly reduced. Thats not specially treatment, it's just a fair work place.
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 08:31 pm |
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Commission Watcher wrote: Tree house?!?!? It is 100% funded from donations (from citizens) and like-kind gifts from city, county, and businesses in town.
So yes, your tax dollars will likely pay for a few folks from public works to go out there with some equipment. Fine with me, I'd rather they work on that than get layed off because the county can not afford to keep them busy.
Get a grip on reality, government is more than LE and Public Saftey......yes they are a major part of it but I'm tired of hearing you say that every expenditure that does not go to LE is useless!
*rant over- sorry for further hi-jacking the thread.
-CW
I would agree that government is more than just public safety, however you must understand that the reason for these threads on law enforcement are rampid is because every time the commission want to attempt to cut fat from the budget it seems they attack law enforcement first. If you haven't noticed keeping vacancies from being filled creates a safety issue for L.E. from what I have been reading it is L.E. wanting the commissioners to cut fat from special projects.
I do agree that all departments in the city and county other than L.E. have an important role in the community, however L.E. seems to be the ones speaking up. They are tired of being continuously ran over by the commissioners. Hopefully other departments will follow suit and stand up for whats RIGHT.......
Its is wrong for an agency to take money(raises) for someones pay check after it has already been approved. I am not saying that they can't freeze any future raises, but once you have been given a raise like in Jan thru May the commissioners can reclaim it. I don't think so (a good lawyer would agree), but the words out that if an officer fights it then it will just affect the future.
So if your tired of hearing threads on COPS being tired of getting the shaft, I would suggest other departments chime in and let everyone know how they are being shafted.............
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 08:59 pm |
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Thank you both for the calm and rational response. Sadly I had expected worse.....for that I appologize.
No I am hardly one of those who say that PS are govt workers same as everyone else. I guess my point is, and I could be wrong, I think the mandate for the pay cuts were handed down accross the board for all depts. Maybe waterhead can share weather or not this has happened to him, or if any other city workers can chime in.
I agree that the raises should not have been rolled back, and am frankly suprised that the city attny oked that move.
Honestly I have thicker skin than what it seems, and its not so much that I don't want to hear the complaints of LE, especially when they are valid. It is the constant sarcastic comments such as lets build another bridge, library, park and the rtd transportation expo funds should have gone to RPD that really seem to bother me. That and a nasty head cold that has me kranky today anyway.
BTW: What would you folks have SPLOST funds go toward to help LE? Keeping in mind that SPLOST funds can only be spent on Capital projects.
Like I said earlier.....sorry for the rant.
Gotta run and watch floyd commission now.
-CW
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