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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 11:01 pm |
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| I believe there are still folks in this world who are willing to help someone in need and it is heart warming to see it in action. Unfortunatly, so many of them have found their generosity being abused to the point that they become suspicious of anyone asking for help. My answer is that if I think a neighbor might need help, I make it my business to offer it to them if it is something I can help with. Sometimes, we have to be the first to reach out our hand for the handshake because many people who could use a hand, are too proud or too timid to ask for it. Helping someone else can be a small gesture like holding a door open for them or offering to help carry an older persons groceries or picking up something they have dropped.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 12:36 am |
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| Violence on TV's, the internet, no fresh air blowing through the houses with air condictioners so our kids have asthma when they breath air. Drug my kid and I want have to deal with nothing. We are the problem, ain't gonna go outside......too hot, don't know them that well. My ex neighbor worked 6 days a week until around 9:00pm, some weekends when I was caught up I would go cut his, they would invite us to cookouts. It's a shame it takes some kinda tradegy nowdays to bring people together.
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 12:09 pm |
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ROP wrote: Violence on TV's, the internet, no fresh air blowing through the houses with air condictioners so our kids have asthma when they breath air. Drug my kid and I want have to deal with nothing. We are the problem, ain't gonna go outside......too hot, don't know them that well. My ex neighbor worked 6 days a week until around 9:00pm, some weekends when I was caught up I would go cut his, they would invite us to cookouts. It's a shame it takes some kinda tradegy nowdays to bring people together.
Dont mind helping those who truely need help, Just tired of the Low lifes stealing from society. What I mean by Low life is the ones that are too lazy to work, Having kids to receive more money, Drug Addicts, Alcoholics. The ones that intentionally put themselves on disability. I believe when the system was set up it was designed to help the elderly and the ones with true disabilities.
In gist those that are too lazy to work need to get off their A** and get A JOB!!!! Those that have been stealing from the system need to get two JOBS and repay what they have reaped for free.....
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 12:47 pm |
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| What about illegals? How much do they bleed the system on handouts? I don't fault them for wanting to come here and make a better life for their families (matter of fact I applaud their bravery for leaving what they know in search of something better) but if they are here illegally then they deserve nothing.
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LOKI wrote: What about illegals? How much do they bleed the system on handouts? I don't fault them for wanting to come here and make a better life for their families (matter of fact I applaud their bravery for leaving what they know in search of something better) but if they are here illegally then they deserve nothing.
I would attend to agree with you>>>>Isn't it odd that America will self destruct from within based on the handouts that are given to the ones that have never even put anything into the system....... The american welfare system hands it money out like its candy too those that are not deserving and reject those who have paid into the system all of their lives........ What do they illegals do with the handouts? Just a guess I think the send part of it back to their home in mexico to support other family members......... So technically we give money to support mexico thru the back door?American welfare needs a check and balance system in place...If they dont check out to be americans then they get zero balance for their account.... for the americans that are too lazy to work they also would get zero balance for their account.......
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 02:47 pm |
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| lets just annex mexico since we are already taking care of their people
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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Nah, they are going to overthrow the most powerful nation in the world and never fire a shot! (except the Latin kings, and La eme, MM, S13, and the like)
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Just a note on the topic and after reading a few of these posts I think some people are misunderstanding exactly how you obtain social security disability benefits. You must have worked 5 out of 10 years before the date you became disabled in order to qualify for disability benefits. SSI is for those who have not worked and paid into social security but are disabled based upon medical evidence reviewed. Unfortunately that program is income based which means if you are disabled and your husband/wife has a job more than likely you can't get a thing as far as disability goes. As far as people drawing disability and not actually being disabled, sometimes just looking at someone you wouldn't think they were disabled but we really do not know what's going on medically with people. And the comments about hispanics, they do have to work and pay in to social security just like we do. If they paid their money in they are just as entitled as any other race of people who work and pay taxes. Illegal immigration is a totally different subject.
As far as the length of time it takes to get through the process of a disability claim. I've seen some cases go on for 5 or 6 years. It's absolutely horrible to think our government cannot do a thing about this backlog. I think the correct questions is where does our tax money really go?
Best advice I can give to anyone, if you don't already vote register and do so. If you want to complain about the social security administration contact your local congressman, in our area that's Phil Gingrey.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 08:28 pm |
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swtgagrl2184 wrote: Just a note on the topic and after reading a few of these posts I think some people are misunderstanding exactly how you obtain social security disability benefits. You must have worked 5 out of 10 years before the date you became disabled in order to qualify for disability benefits. SSI is for those who have not worked and paid into social security but are disabled based upon medical evidence reviewed. Unfortunately that program is income based which means if you are disabled and your husband/wife has a job more than likely you can't get a thing as far as disability goes. As far as people drawing disability and not actually being disabled, sometimes just looking at someone you wouldn't think they were disabled but we really do not know what's going on medically with people. And the comments about hispanics, they do have to work and pay in to social security just like we do. If they paid their money in they are just as entitled as any other race of people who work and pay taxes. Illegal immigration is a totally different subject.
As far as the length of time it takes to get through the process of a disability claim. I've seen some cases go on for 5 or 6 years. It's absolutely horrible to think our government cannot do a thing about this backlog. I think the correct questions is where does our tax money really go?
Best advice I can give to anyone, if you don't already vote register and do so. If you want to complain about the social security administration contact your local congressman, in our area that's Phil Gingrey.
I think that the remarks regarding Hispanics is referring to those who work for cash, do contract work and never file a 1099, or have so many children that they pay very little, etc. They are not paying into the system. However, it is not only illegal Hispanics (and we do have millions of Hispanics who are legal American citizens) we have illegal aliens from more than 32 different countries. It is unfortunate that the majority are Hispanic and that they put a Mexican face on the issue with their marches, flying Mexican flags and demanding rights that they were not entitled to, and not all Hispanics are from Mexico.
Many states, including Georgia have passed laws to stop the abuse of our welfare system by illegal aliens and with the down turn in the ecconomy, many people from South of the Border are finding it less attractive to stay here or to come here.
There are an estimated 12 million (some estimates go as high as 30 million) illegal aliens in this country. These are people who have broken our laws to come here with no health check, and no criminal background check. Of that estimated number, according to the PEW Hispanic Center, only 7.2 million of them hold jobs and that number does not include children or the elderly. I wonder what the rest of them are doing for a living.
There are still millions of people world wide, who are waiting, after having paid their fees, with paperwork in hand to come here legally, who actually want to be American citizens.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 08:36 pm |
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| I completely agree...
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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Spice wrote: swtgagrl2184 wrote: Just a note on the topic and after reading a few of these posts I think some people are misunderstanding exactly how you obtain social security disability benefits. You must have worked 5 out of 10 years before the date you became disabled in order to qualify for disability benefits. SSI is for those who have not worked and paid into social security but are disabled based upon medical evidence reviewed. Unfortunately that program is income based which means if you are disabled and your husband/wife has a job more than likely you can't get a thing as far as disability goes. As far as people drawing disability and not actually being disabled, sometimes just looking at someone you wouldn't think they were disabled but we really do not know what's going on medically with people. And the comments about hispanics, they do have to work and pay in to social security just like we do. If they paid their money in they are just as entitled as any other race of people who work and pay taxes. Illegal immigration is a totally different subject.
As far as the length of time it takes to get through the process of a disability claim. I've seen some cases go on for 5 or 6 years. It's absolutely horrible to think our government cannot do a thing about this backlog. I think the correct questions is where does our tax money really go?
Best advice I can give to anyone, if you don't already vote register and do so. If you want to complain about the social security administration contact your local congressman, in our area that's Phil Gingrey.
I think that the remarks regarding Hispanics is referring to those who work for cash, do contract work and never file a 1099, or have so many children that they pay very little, etc. They are not paying into the system. However, it is not only illegal Hispanics (and we do have millions of Hispanics who are legal American citizens) we have illegal aliens from more than 32 different countries. It is unfortunate that the majority are Hispanic and that they put a Mexican face on the issue with their marches, flying Mexican flags and demanding rights that they were not entitled to, and not all Hispanics are from Mexico.
Many states, including Georgia have passed laws to stop the abuse of our welfare system by illegal aliens and with the down turn in the ecconomy, many people from South of the Border are finding it less attractive to stay here or to come here.
There are an estimated 12 million (some estimates go as high as 30 million) illegal aliens in this country. These are people who have broken our laws to come here with no health check, and no criminal background check. Of that estimated number, according to the PEW Hispanic Center, only 7.2 million of them hold jobs and that number does not include children or the elderly. I wonder what the rest of them are doing for a living.
There are still millions of people world wide, who are waiting, after having paid their fees, with paperwork in hand to come here legally, who actually want to be American citizens.
I wanted to take it a step further and explain something called emergency medicaid. This is what illegals get. Some people think this means they are getting medicaid in an emergent fashion and I have had people complain to me before. EMA (emergency medical assistance) is for illegal immigrants (generally no questions asked) that have an emergent situation that finds them in the hospital. Say they are in the hospital for 3 days, then they get medicaid for those 3 days. It does not go one day before or after. This is to cover the hospital, not the person. This way hospitals who can't turn anyone away still get paid for treating them. They still have to fall under eiligibility guidelines of aged, blind, disabled, low income, pregnant, or child. Once those guidelines are met, then EMA can be established for someone "visiting" our country. Again, I never had a problem with this because it was for the dates of hospitalization only and helps out the hospital system more than the individual since followups are covered and discharge medications.
The disability process is another problem all on its on. The backlog comes from the department of labor trying to determine disability and every thing else that they do. Too many cases, too few workers. Unfortunately, a lot of the problem is people applying for disability that dont need it. I dont mean oh my back hurts people but people who dont understand the process and they know something is going to keep them out of work for 3 months and they dont know what to do so they apply for disability. They arent going to be eligible because it has to be 12 months or longer but the adjudicator still has to go through the process of gathering paperwork and records. Wasted time while someone with lymphoma not doing well at all is next in line. If a hispanic person has earned enough credits, then they should absolutely get disability. Only fair.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 09:38 pm |
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The point I was trying to bring out was that the individuals that actually worked all their lives and become disabled....are given an extremely hard time to get what they paid in on all their lives.........I know their are disabled people out there that deserve what little the government is giving them........However those that drink themselves into a disability or those that fry their brains on drugs do not in any way deserve any kind of help......... I viewed a show on T.V. some years ago an seen where peple were getting the phsyco doctors to declare them disabled because they could not handle the american society...and they were receiving benefits......WTF......The fix to that problem is simply return them to the society (country) they came from.......
No matter what race you are you simply don't deserve something for nothing period......... IF your able to work then work quit freeloading............If you have paid into the system and become disabled later in life then the RED TAPE shouldn't stand in your way to receive the help you are entitled to..............
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 11:07 pm |
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Momof2btflgrls, I've never had a problem with anyone getting the medical attention they need in an emergency situation. However, 9 months of pregnancy is not an emergency, nor is a case of the sniffles. The problem with illegal aliens and medical care has been that many of them abuse the system. They use the ER as their primary care Dr and since many of them use stolen identities, they never pay the bill. One family in California has 10 children, The mother was taking fertility pills. This is a July, 2006 report.
With two teenage daughters at home and triplets still in diapers, Angela Magdaleno's family overflowed from a one-bedroom apartment in South Los Angeles that they strained to afford.
Diapers had to be changed 15 times a day, feedings held every three hours. One triplet, 3-year-old Alfredo Jr., needed special attention because he was born with liquid on his brain and partially paralyzed.
On July 6, Magdaleno gave birth to two boys and two girls, drawing national media attention as a bewildered mother of 10 (with nine living at home). Now, she and her husband, Alfredo Anzaldo, 44, must figure out how to provide for everyone on Anzaldo's maximum pay of $400 a week as a carpet installer.
Both Magdaleno and Anzaldo are illegal immigrants, settled for years in an immigrant enclave.
Neither Magdaleno nor her husband speaks English, though she has been in the United States 22 years and he 28. Even her teenage daughters speak mostly Spanish; their English vocabulary is limited. All 10 children are American citizens.
This type of abuse has put a huge burden on many of our hospitals. 60, in California alone have closed down their emergency rooms and some, the entire hospital. Google Grady and illegal aliens and read the report about the money problems Grady has been having and they clearly state that part of it is due to illegal aliens not paying their bills. Illegal aliens do not get the entire blame but they have played a large part in the process.
You might also Google Illegal Aliens and American Medicine to read a report regarding the diseases that have been brought back into this country by illegal aliens, who have had no health check upon entering this country.
Say what you will, it is the American Tax Payer who is picking up the tab while losing medical services for themselves.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 02:43 am |
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| By the way, since you mentioned SSI, did you know that only about 15 years ago, there were more than 67,000 convicted felons drawing SSI? One man walked out on the street and shot to death, 6 people. They put him in a mental institution. He decided that since he was mentally ill, he should be able to draw SSI. He was given $9,000 back pay and $600 a month. He bought himself a motor cycle to ride around the grounds, along with leather jacket, izod shirts, cd &dvd players, etc. Doesn't sound too crazy to me.
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Spice wrote: Momof2btflgrls, I've never had a problem with anyone getting the medical attention they need in an emergency situation. However, 9 months of pregnancy is not an emergency, nor is a case of the sniffles. The problem with illegal aliens and medical care has been that many of them abuse the system. They use the ER as their primary care Dr and since many of them use stolen identities, they never pay the bill. One family in California has 10 children, The mother was taking fertility pills. This is a July, 2006 report.
With two teenage daughters at home and triplets still in diapers, Angela Magdaleno's family overflowed from a one-bedroom apartment in South Los Angeles that they strained to afford.
Diapers had to be changed 15 times a day, feedings held every three hours. One triplet, 3-year-old Alfredo Jr., needed special attention because he was born with liquid on his brain and partially paralyzed.
On July 6, Magdaleno gave birth to two boys and two girls, drawing national media attention as a bewildered mother of 10 (with nine living at home). Now, she and her husband, Alfredo Anzaldo, 44, must figure out how to provide for everyone on Anzaldo's maximum pay of $400 a week as a carpet installer.
Both Magdaleno and Anzaldo are illegal immigrants, settled for years in an immigrant enclave.
Neither Magdaleno nor her husband speaks English, though she has been in the United States 22 years and he 28. Even her teenage daughters speak mostly Spanish; their English vocabulary is limited. All 10 children are American citizens.
This type of abuse has put a huge burden on many of our hospitals. 60, in California alone have closed down their emergency rooms and some, the entire hospital. Google Grady and illegal aliens and read the report about the money problems Grady has been having and they clearly state that part of it is due to illegal aliens not paying their bills. Illegal aliens do not get the entire blame but they have played a large part in the process.
You might also Google Illegal Aliens and American Medicine to read a report regarding the diseases that have been brought back into this country by illegal aliens, who have had no health check upon entering this country.
Say what you will, it is the American Tax Payer who is picking up the tab while losing medical services for themselves.
My post was not meant as a debate. I KNOW where you are coming from. I worked in social work for 4 years. I would have illegals who were, in my opinion, disabled that did not tell me they were illegal. When I would call social security, the SSN belonged to a 107 year old person, or would have been, that passed away. I, as a healthcare worker, could not say a thing. That is where the problem is. Too many laws protect them. I agree with treating them..that is part of the oath but after treatment a call should be made and men in black come around the corner and send them back if they do not have documentation. I know someone else that does payroll for a company and a hispanic gentleman came in mad because child support was coming out of his check. Come to find out, the social security number that he used to get the job belonged to a man that owed child support. (I find that funny as heck by the way.) They told him there was nothing they could do until they received the right social security number. So he works paying the american man's debt and the company says nothing and will not allow the accountant to say anything. Company's should be allowed to call on these people and then something should actually be done. Over the years I made friends with many people who still work at DFACS and SS and I know they are coming down harder on the proper documentation now. No ifs, and or buts about it. Some of them were complaining about all the extra work but they all felt like it was worth it.
As for the crazy man in the mental institute, his SSI should have stopped once institutionalized and that is the law. His needs are being met by the institution and that is what SSI is for. Someone at social security made a mistake if he was still drawing. The money should have stopped but medicaid benefits could have continued to help with the cost on a federal level.
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