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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 11:03 pm |
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Deaglos wrote: the main question is if the city has condemned the property will we even get a chance to repair it?
TJ has met with the building inspector and city attorney and I believe they are going to give an extension to give us time to get things going, but I'm not sure for how long. He said they told him that Rusty had made enough progress cleaning out some of the debris that they are willing to do that. I will talk with TJ and tereca tonight and we will try to work out some type of schedule.
We will probably need to schedule most of the clean up work on weekends and possibly some evenings and we will try to schedule it so that we will not be interfering with the men doing the actual tearing out and construction. I should know more tomorrow and I will let you know. We also will post a schedule so all those who volunteer will be able to make a decision as to whether they can come and work during those times.
How is your mother doing Deaglos? Is there anything I can do to help you in that area?
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 11:05 pm |
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| I know what all we have read about Rusty and his troubles. I happen to know a little bit more than some on this. Everybody wants to help someone when they are down and that is noble, but are you all aware that most of his neighbors are terrified of him. The home he was given by his mother who moved off, had been ran down before the fire. No payment, just utilities and he should have had insurance, but chose not to. He couldnt hold down a job for any length of time, before the fire. I dont mean to bash this boy, but hes been looking for hand outs for a long time (from his friends). Years of living the lifestyle he chose to live is what has him where he is now (people that know him can tell you what that was).You might want to talk to the ones around him before you help him, I believe there is another type of help he needs. Im not trying to be offensive on this matter, but there is a whole lot more to this story and most are just getting one side. Its a shame that people get to that point he has. Bless everyones good intentions. Like I said there is just a whole lot more to it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 12:36 am |
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| We need to listen to beenaround. Do some research before you go in to help. You know they say fools rush in where angels fear to tread. I'm not saying you are fools but that I felt like a fool after I tried to help and got a lot of other people involved in a situation they didn't want to be in.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:15 am |
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Thank you both for the advice. We are also working on getting a mental evaluation and Rusty has agreed to go and TJ has agreed to take him. If it turns out that he is eligible for disability, we also have a member who is willing to walk him through all the steps to get it started.
If he is put on Medication, we will try to get it set up for someone to check to be sure that he is taking them properly. If the neighbors are afraid of him, and someone earlier mentioned a violent temper, then that of course will need to be controlled and that is where the meds come in. I don't believe any of us are going into this blind and it may turn out that we can not accomplish what we have set out to do but we will give it our best shot.
Once we know which direction we are headed, perhaps you will both rethink your positions and join us in this endeavor but if not, then we certainly will do what we can to insure that the house will be up to code which will certainly help the property values in the neighborhood, and hopefully, get Rusty in a position that will give his neighbors some relief from their fear of him.
On the other hand, if this project does not work out, then you both will be able to say, "I told you so!"
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:18 am |
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| She should be fine, she has diverticulitis and we hope to control it with antibiotics. If it does not improve then we will look at elective surgery.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:31 am |
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BEENAROUND wrote: I know what all we have read about Rusty and his troubles. I happen to know a little bit more than some on this. Everybody wants to help someone when they are down and that is noble, but are you all aware that most of his neighbors are terrified of him. The home he was given by his mother who moved off, had been ran down before the fire. No payment, just utilities and he should have had insurance, but chose not to. He couldnt hold down a job for any length of time, before the fire. I dont mean to bash this boy, but hes been looking for hand outs for a long time (from his friends). Years of living the lifestyle he chose to live is what has him where he is now (people that know him can tell you what that was).You might want to talk to the ones around him before you help him, I believe there is another type of help he needs. Im not trying to be offensive on this matter, but there is a whole lot more to this story and most are just getting one side. Its a shame that people get to that point he has. Bless everyones good intentions. Like I said there is just a whole lot more to it.
If there is more to the story then by all means let everyone know what Paul Harvey would refer to as: The Rest of the Story.
Providing a "teaser" does nothing unless you follow up with the details on the issue.
If things that were done in the past proved futile, then these people need to know what was done previously, what worked and what didn't, why or what part did or didn't work and maybe some insight on why past efforts may have failed. That knowledge would surely reduce redundancy and help eliminate any useless efforts that were ineffective previously.
Additionally, knowing what happened in the past may generate some ideas for some new approaches to an old problem. If it didn't work the first time, that doesn't mean the issues can't be resolved but rather that we may attack the problem from another direction. It would also be helpful to know what resources were used to assist in availing ourselves to different resources if necessary.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:53 am |
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Finished wrote: We need to listen to beenaround. Do some research before you go in to help. You know they say fools rush in where angels fear to tread. I'm not saying you are fools but that I felt like a fool after I tried to help and got a lot of other people involved in a situation they didn't want to be in.
Could you point out what research should be done? For example, what agencies and resources were used in the past, who should people talk to to find out what was done previously, what were some of the obstacles and what may have been missed. Been there, done that and got a T-shirt, just isn't enough information to base further actions on.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:55 am |
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Deaglos wrote: She should be fine, she has diverticulitis and we hope to control it with antibiotics. If it does not improve then we will look at elective surgery. I hope your mom doesn't have to go through the surgery and that it can be taken care of with the antibiotics. I wish her the best of luck.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:59 am |
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well I believe that spice posted that Rusty has agreed to mental health
while his neighbors may be terrified of him...he probably needs the help and caring,
sure..we could refuse to help based on those reasons...but I WANT to help
regardless of his mental state...people like that need help the most
lord knows the government doesn't provide enough care for people in his situation
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 02:10 am |
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| Coggers you hit the nail on the head with that statement!!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 03:10 am |
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I didnt mean to sound like a teaser. Please talk to some of his friends and his neighbors. Rusty needs more help than just cleaning and fixing his house. I dont think it is anything that taking a few meds is going to straighten out in a couple of days. Ask Rusty to tell you the names of some of his friends and go talk to them.Again this is not meant as a teaser ,I just dont think things should be aired in the threads.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 04:11 am |
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| well, number 1 , anyone who works around people with head injuries know that they ALL have a tendency to become violent on the drop of a hat for no reason what so ever, especially frontal lobe head injuries. They usually are very impulsive and are not able to concentrate, or in his case keep a job for a long period of time. They usually have a significantly lower IQ than most people, therefore can not get a job just anywhere. All this along with the depression of losing his home, his mother and his dogs is enough to confuse and send anyone in a long downhill spiral which in return causes him to be more violent. He probably doesn't know how to control his anger or how to fix his problems. This is no reason to deny him the right to live in a home his parents bought and paid for, nor does it give anyone the right to demean him or treat him like a second class citizen. With the mental eval, drugs, therapy and maybe even anger management and the government stepping in and placing him on total or partial disability giving him the resources to maintain his home and to eat , you may see a totally different man all together, or maybe not but atleast the ones who help him will have a since of pride knowing that they did not throw him to the wolves without giving him the chance to get the help he so desperately needs. Maybe he just needs a little guidance, he has already showed the initiative by starting to clean the place himself.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 04:24 am |
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beenaround..............................................................i know what you're saying and know more than I can say...................................................one of the benefits of helping people is that it makes us "feel good"..............................if that's the only benefit, then that may be enough......................................................I can tell you the neighbors ARE NOT happy that RNW is planning to help him stay in their neighborhood...........................
My suggestion would be to make the help contingent on doing WHATEVER the FIRST mental health provider suggests....................................Not the Fourth one after he refuses the help of the first three...........................that would probably help him more than a hand out..............................but at least a few of the neighbors say that they have wondered when he would finally hit bottom, get help and honestly GET OUT of their neighborhood......................................now they feel that he has hit bottom and RNW is going to help him halfway back up the ladder, with no contingencies, so that they have to put up with him for another 3 or 4 years before he hits bottom again.....................................
from what I understand, the neighbors have asked "why do these people care more about a man who chose to be in this predicament than those of us who are in fear for our safety and our property values because of his choices?".......................from what I understand the response was "maybe this will cause him to be a better neighbor"...........................from what I understand the neighbors responded with a hearty laugh.......................................................................but that's second hand info, so don't put much weight on it 
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| i too suffered severe head trauma and no one understands the pain agony depression fury i go thru ... including my x roomate that just put me on the street today... i wasnt angry just wanted to talk to her about some dishonesty from her and she spazzed out so now i m living w/ my sister... the main thing is i cant work have no insurance ssi hasnt came thru yet so i m basically screwed... can anyone help me get my life back on track??? i m trying but the results are nill...jpg Attachment: U856CALGTQ0QCAODWQC8CA9Z1JSFCAR8ZPDACAO1AHR7CAJIJ6RSCA5S4LZ3CAMWS56ACA402OBBCA6361OJCACGQUN2CAF25297CAHYHTH6CA1VZKJ8CAFQ0HOFCAM9X71NCAQOGR1LCA5AXVLB.jpg (Downloaded 81 times)
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 04:30 am |
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but again why do they have the right to tell him to move, that is his house and last time i checked they were probably more able to move than he is. If he leave their beloved neighborhood, where will he go? Prob drift from shelter to shelter until he has to live under the expensive walk bridge, then he will eventually be found dead. It's so nice when people care more about their precious property value than a man's life but hey that's their right i guess.
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