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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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BillT962 wrote: yeah yeah, I answered most if not all. And yes, I knew President Lincoln personally.
You Been A police for that long and still cant retire? LOL
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 06:58 pm |
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Gatorsmac wrote: BillT962 wrote: yeah yeah, I answered most if not all. And yes, I knew President Lincoln personally.
You Been A police for that long and still cant retire? LOL
too broke, too many mortgages and too dumb. plus, my wife likes me gone I think LOL
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:51 am |
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Here's just one more reason that many of todays youth have no direction.
You No longer have the right to remain silent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
School 'Moment of Silence' ban extended in Ill.
Published: 5/29/08, 10:07 PM EDT
By MIKE ROBINSON
CHICAGO (AP) - A federal judge on Thursday barred school districts statewide from holding the daily moment of silence suitable for prayer that is required under state law.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman said he had given school districts time to object to his March 28 preliminary injunction on enforcement of the moment of silence law but received no objections.
He therefore extended to the entire state the preliminary injunction originally designed to apply only to suburban Buffalo Grove District 214.
The law passed by the Illinois General Assembly says every school district in the state must hold a nonreligious moment of silence suitable for prayer or contemplating the day's activities at the start of the day.
Talk radio host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist whose daughter, Dawn, attends Buffalo Grove High School, sued to stop enforcement.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:56 am |
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| I don't think anyone's child should be forced to pray if their parents dissaprove, however, I do not think that a moment of silence is reason for a lawsuit. There are still parents and children who appreciate the oportunity to pray but that is just another right that has been taken away because someone else dissagrees. The time given was not forced prayer but time that could be used for thinking. Did I say "THINKING"? Is there a lawyer around who would like to file a lawsuit for "THINKING"?
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 04:14 am |
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Spice wrote: I don't think anyone's child should be forced to pray if their parents dissaprove, however, I do not think that a moment of silence is reason for a lawsuit. There are still parents and children who appreciate the oportunity to pray but that is just another right that has been taken away because someone else dissagrees. The time given was not forced prayer but time that could be used for thinking. Did I say "THINKING"? Is there a lawyer around who would like to file a lawsuit for "THINKING"? There is a lawyer out there ready to file a lawsuit for ANYTHING.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 04:38 am |
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Spice wrote: Here's just one more reason that many of todays youth have no direction.
You No longer have the right to remain silent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
School 'Moment of Silence' ban extended in Ill.
Published: 5/29/08, 10:07 PM EDT
By MIKE ROBINSON
CHICAGO (AP) - A federal judge on Thursday barred school districts statewide from holding the daily moment of silence suitable for prayer that is required under state law.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman said he had given school districts time to object to his March 28 preliminary injunction on enforcement of the moment of silence law but received no objections.
He therefore extended to the entire state the preliminary injunction originally designed to apply only to suburban Buffalo Grove District 214.
The law passed by the Illinois General Assembly says every school district in the state must hold a nonreligious moment of silence suitable for prayer or contemplating the day's activities at the start of the day.
Talk radio host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist whose daughter, Dawn, attends Buffalo Grove High School, sued to stop enforcement.
Maybe he will be turned into a pillar of salt.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 04:52 am |
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We took God out of schools, drugged the kids, then wonder why they shoot others, go figure.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 10:00 am |
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oh hell they were shooting others when god was in school. Only difference was we did not have the internet and instant communication we have know to know about it all.
Some people say that crime is rampaging in the streets and that has never happened before. I have one name that says it all on street crime in the past. Capone.
One of the biggest issues today is we can not disapline our children without going to jail, and then if we dont disapline the kids we still go to jail.
Used to be if a kid got in a fight at school, it usually meant they got it all out of their system and have the time ended up buddies, now it means 5 years in court and 20 in jail.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:04 pm |
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when I was in school.............we had a prayer time........................and I'm pretty certain that it had no influence on my decision to "not shoot people".....................
in fact, prayer in school may be dangerous..................................do a history search on mass murderers and see how many of them were "told by god" to do it
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:08 pm |
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romegasir wrote: when I was in school.............we had a prayer time........................and I'm pretty certain that it had no influence on my decision to "not shoot people".....................
in fact, prayer in school may be dangerous..................................do a history search on mass murderers and see how many of them were "told by god" to do it
more than a plurality of course.
I am truly okay with a moment of silence. It can be used to reflect, pray, exhort, entreat, meditate etc.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:11 pm |
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Deaglos wrote: oh hell they were shooting others when god was in school. Only difference was we did not have the internet and instant communication we have know to know about it all.
Some people say that crime is rampaging in the streets and that has never happened before. I have one name that says it all on street crime in the past. Capone.
One of the biggest issues today is we can not disapline our children without going to jail, and then if we dont disapline the kids we still go to jail.
Used to be if a kid got in a fight at school, it usually meant they got it all out of their system and have the time ended up buddies, now it means 5 years in court and 20 in jail.
actually my friend, you can still spank that butt if it needs it. Just a bit more difficult than it used to be. As long as the red marks are limited to the area of the buttocks, none of our people are going to intervene at all. While I can't speak for FCPD and RPD, I would bet their approach is similar
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:22 pm |
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True Bill but I meant in general nowadays.
I read an article about 9 years ago about a poor guy in I think Buffalo.
His kid was caught stealing a car at 13 or 14 and the father ended up with 5 days jail time for not controlling his kid.
1 year later the kid got caught by dad doing something else, so dad paddled his rear, DFACS was called even testified it was just rear, dad went before same judge and got 6 months Jail. Dad told judge to keep the friggin kid as he was d**ned if he did and d**ned if he didnt. Judge gave another 2 months for contempt.
gotta love this nice world today.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:28 pm |
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romegasir wrote: when I was in school.............we had a prayer time........................and I'm pretty certain that it had no influence on my decision to "not shoot people".....................
in fact, prayer in school may be dangerous..................................do a history search on mass murderers and see how many of them were "told by god" to do it
I could do a search but I would have to start with the Bible. I am not a Bible thumper who thinks that religion is the answer to everything, however, I do believe in God. I do not believe in pushing my beliefs on others, but a moment of silence need not be considered as pushing religion. With 2 little ones around most of the time, I would welcome a moment of silence.
My point was not that everyone would pray during that time, but that the time its self does no harm. The people and groups who file these types of lawsuits are essentially getting government involved in taking away more of the rights of others.
When courts tell me I can't smoke, I can't pray, I can't post the 10 commandments in a public place, I can't wear baggy pants (I bet I would look great in them), etc. They are taking away my rights whether I wish to exercise them or not. These are not laws being passed for the benefit of mankind, they are laws to restrict mankind from thinking and making his own decisions.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:10 pm |
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Spice wrote: romegasir wrote: when I was in school.............we had a prayer time........................and I'm pretty certain that it had no influence on my decision to "not shoot people".....................
in fact, prayer in school may be dangerous..................................do a history search on mass murderers and see how many of them were "told by god" to do it
I could do a search but I would have to start with the Bible. I am not a Bible thumper who thinks that religion is the answer to everything, however, I do believe in God. I do not believe in pushing my beliefs on others, but a moment of silence need not be considered as pushing religion. With 2 little ones around most of the time, I would welcome a moment of silence.
My point was not that everyone would pray during that time, but that the time its self does no harm. The people and groups who file these types of lawsuits are essentially getting government involved in taking away more of the rights of others.
When courts tell me I can't smoke, I can't pray, I can't post the 10 commandments in a public place, I can't wear baggy pants (I bet I would look great in them), etc. They are taking away my rights whether I wish to exercise them or not. These are not laws being passed for the benefit of mankind, they are laws to restrict mankind from thinking and making his own decisions.
Yeah, but if god is telling people to kill folks.........................I'd like it to be loud and boisterous in school, so maybe the crazies won't hear his request..........................................................................................
Wrong thread for this, I'm sure, but it's never stopped me before........................in general, I have no problem with a moment of prayer and really don't care how they label it.......................................but when I hear the churches are for it, I automatically oppose and re-evaluate my position
Because of my job, life, school, socialization and luck (whichever the case may be) I come into contact with a plethora of "religious folks"........................................and it never amazes me that they are ALWAYS judging others for things they shouldn't be judged for.....................for example, drinking alcohol................while chawing down their third Big Mac, they're talking about good ole Joey who needs to quit drinking alcohol because god doesn't like it..........................................
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 06:21 pm |
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romegasir wrote: Spice wrote: romegasir wrote: when I was in school.............we had a prayer time........................and I'm pretty certain that it had no influence on my decision to "not shoot people".....................
in fact, prayer in school may be dangerous..................................do a history search on mass murderers and see how many of them were "told by god" to do it
I could do a search but I would have to start with the Bible. I am not a Bible thumper who thinks that religion is the answer to everything, however, I do believe in God. I do not believe in pushing my beliefs on others, but a moment of silence need not be considered as pushing religion. With 2 little ones around most of the time, I would welcome a moment of silence.
My point was not that everyone would pray during that time, but that the time its self does no harm. The people and groups who file these types of lawsuits are essentially getting government involved in taking away more of the rights of others.
When courts tell me I can't smoke, I can't pray, I can't post the 10 commandments in a public place, I can't wear baggy pants (I bet I would look great in them), etc. They are taking away my rights whether I wish to exercise them or not. These are not laws being passed for the benefit of mankind, they are laws to restrict mankind from thinking and making his own decisions.
Yeah, but if god is telling people to kill folks.........................I'd like it to be loud and boisterous in school, so maybe the crazies won't hear his request..........................................................................................
Wrong thread for this, I'm sure, but it's never stopped me before........................in general, I have no problem with a moment of prayer and really don't care how they label it.......................................but when I hear the churches are for it, I automatically oppose and re-evaluate my position
Because of my job, life, school, socialization and luck (whichever the case may be) I come into contact with a plethora of "religious folks"........................................and it never amazes me that they are ALWAYS judging others for things they shouldn't be judged for.....................for example, drinking alcohol................while chawing down their third Big Mac, they're talking about good ole Joey who needs to quit drinking alcohol because god doesn't like it..........................................
The Bible says (and this is not an exact quote) we should strive to be like God. That's why when my children got in to fights, I told them to go out side and kill each other so they wouldn't get blood on the carpet. I don't think God (at least the one I know) is going to stand over each and every one of us and tell us what to do.
When something good happens, people always say God had a hand in it, if something bad happens, the devil always gets the blame. My concern is that the government has too many hands in it.
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