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BillT962
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 11:54 pm |
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Gatorsmac wrote: romegasir wrote: I don't like the outright claim that he has been a law enforcement officer for 20 years..............................that's very misleading
I dont know if misleading would be the term I would use!!! Would it be more like outright deception or just a "little white lie"? I think the general public needs to know the truth.
I was just trying to think back. I think he worked in the jail at FCSO and was a DT instructor or something. He has always been on the edge of what we do, but not really doing it. Back in the day when I was deputy director at the Academy, seems like he came out and taught DT for us once. I may be wrong though
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I am a little concerned by the challengers statements about his length of service in law enforcement. He makes it sound like he has been working as a full time law enforcement officer for 20 yrs. The more I have thought about this the more it bothers me. When I asked recently about reserve officers I was told that they are generally required to work atleast eight hours a month when they can or want to. That would add up to about 96 hours a year of ocassional work after they have finished their full-time job. Now if your average full-time officer works 40+ hours a week or 160+ a month, there's quiet a bit of difference. I would think that most Full-time officers would be insulted by his claim. The challenger is saying that even though he has worked 20x less hours than they have, he claims to have the same amount of yearly experience. 96 hours doesnt add up to a years experience. We know that he has worked full-time with the county water dept during the time he claims to been gaining equal law enforcement experience.I really think that he needs to correct his statement , by restating the facts. The proper statement would be that while working for the Floyd County Water dept., he has served in a part-time capacity as a law enforcement officer with multiple agencies for a period that has spanned for over 20 years. He also would need to show exactly how many hours he has actually worked on the job as a police officer. I think this would make a more truthful statement. I'm not saying he is lying , I think his numbers are not acurate and misleading. It would kinda be like me saying since I collect tickets at State Mutal Stadium for the Rome Braves that I have been with the team for 3years, or since I get online in the evenings to check my emails that I have 3 years of experience with internet software. Well its kinda true , but its not quiet accurate. I believe that reserves are very valuable to the City and the Sheriff's Office, and I respect what they do(more than what I do). I just dont believe that a person who works a job when they want to and after they get off their real job, can claim to have the same amount of time as an officer who does it everyday.
God Bless our boys and girls who serve to protect us, and the ones that volunteer to help them.
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BillT962
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 01:08 pm |
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BEENAROUND wrote: I am a little concerned by the challengers statements about his length of service in law enforcement. He makes it sound like he has been working as a full time law enforcement officer for 20 yrs. The more I have thought about this the more it bothers me. When I asked recently about reserve officers I was told that they are generally required to work atleast eight hours a month when they can or want to. That would add up to about 96 hours a year of ocassional work after they have finished their full-time job. Now if your average full-time officer works 40+ hours a week or 160+ a month, there's quiet a bit of difference. I would think that most Full-time officers would be insulted by his claim. The challenger is saying that even though he has worked 20x less hours than they have, he claims to have the same amount of yearly experience. 96 hours doesnt add up to a years experience. We know that he has worked full-time with the county water dept during the time he claims to been gaining equal law enforcement experience.I really think that he needs to correct his statement , by restating the facts. The proper statement would be that while working for the Floyd County Water dept., he has served in a part-time capacity as a law enforcement officer with multiple agencies for a period that has spanned for over 20 years. He also would need to show exactly how many hours he has actually worked on the job as a police officer. I think this would make a more truthful statement. I'm not saying he is lying , I think his numbers are not acurate and misleading. It would kinda be like me saying since I collect tickets at State Mutal Stadium for the Rome Braves that I have been with the team for 3years, or since I get online in the evenings to check my emails that I have 3 years of experience with internet software. Well its kinda true , but its not quiet accurate. I believe that reserves are very valuable to the City and the Sheriff's Office, and I respect what they do(more than what I do). I just dont believe that a person who works a job when they want to and after they get off their real job, can claim to have the same amount of time as an officer who does it everyday.
God Bless our boys and girls who serve to protect us, and the ones that volunteer to help th
Couldn't have said it nearly as well myself. I think if I were the candidate, I would just state the plain and unvarnished truth. Not like folks won't know anyway
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BillT962 wrote: Optimus Prime wrote: Bill for the first time I strongly disagree with you!!! Not only should a Sheriff have strong LE experience, but should really be from within! Your basic LE officer has no clue what the job entales or requires!!! Nothing worse than having to train a dang sheriff cause he hasn't walked the trenches and learned along the way. That was the best thing about Burkhalter, he has done it all! When you get someone from the outside you set a sheriff's office behind 10 years because they are trying to get their head above the water and keep up instead of pushing forward, they simply become stagnant. When you say Hulsey has been on the edge of LE.........................the snake river is off the edge of the Grand Canyon. Way, Way, Way off.
LOL. Okay. let me clarify what I apparently very poorly stated. The best example of my point that I can think of is my (actually) very good friend Joe Arpaio of the Maricopa Co. AZ Sheriff's Office. He was an old Instructor of mine at the DEA's National Trainining Institute a hundred years ago. When he got close to giving it up, he decided he wanted to be a Sheriff. He had been arresting drug smugglers for a long time but also said that he didn't know one thing about Sheriffin'. He had a vision for Maricopa Co. He found the best people he could once elected and surrounded himself with them. The best operations guy I know, the best Jail guy he could find, and the best "other" people out there. He gave them the direction, said he would make speeches and get them the resources necessary to do the job and get out of their way. As you doubtless know, he has been phenomenally successful.
Now, it just so happens that the Sheriff happens to be a veteran cop. Far more so, in my opinion, he is a very good administrator and politician. I still believe that the 2nd is far more important than the first.
In a case where the Sheriff is the only LE there is, I suspect you are right.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Whoa, I am impressed. He is one of the best Sheriffs in the country! A hero of mine, and I don't have many. Sheriff Burkhalter would do well to follow his lead. Not knowing much about the other candidate, it is obvious, on this site that he doesn't have much support. Experience in the day to day work of a police officer and inside knowledge of what it would take to up the productivity of all employees under his supervision, is a big PLUS for a Sheriff.
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BillT962
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 08:33 pm |
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Jr.FanAlways wrote: BillT962 wrote: Optimus Prime wrote: Bill for the first time I strongly disagree with you!!! Not only should a Sheriff have strong LE experience, but should really be from within! Your basic LE officer has no clue what the job entales or requires!!! Nothing worse than having to train a dang sheriff cause he hasn't walked the trenches and learned along the way. That was the best thing about Burkhalter, he has done it all! When you get someone from the outside you set a sheriff's office behind 10 years because they are trying to get their head above the water and keep up instead of pushing forward, they simply become stagnant. When you say Hulsey has been on the edge of LE.........................the snake river is off the edge of the Grand Canyon. Way, Way, Way off.
LOL. Okay. let me clarify what I apparently very poorly stated. The best example of my point that I can think of is my (actually) very good friend Joe Arpaio of the Maricopa Co. AZ Sheriff's Office. He was an old Instructor of mine at the DEA's National Trainining Institute a hundred years ago. When he got close to giving it up, he decided he wanted to be a Sheriff. He had been arresting drug smugglers for a long time but also said that he didn't know one thing about Sheriffin'. He had a vision for Maricopa Co. He found the best people he could once elected and surrounded himself with them. The best operations guy I know, the best Jail guy he could find, and the best "other" people out there. He gave them the direction, said he would make speeches and get them the resources necessary to do the job and get out of their way. As you doubtless know, he has been phenomenally successful.
Now, it just so happens that the Sheriff happens to be a veteran cop. Far more so, in my opinion, he is a very good administrator and politician. I still believe that the 2nd is far more important than the first.
In a case where the Sheriff is the only LE there is, I suspect you are right.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Whoa, I am impressed. He is one of the best Sheriffs in the country! A hero of mine, and I don't have many. Sheriff Burkhalter would do well to follow his lead. Not knowing much about the other candidate, it is obvious, on this site that he doesn't have much support. Experience in the day to day work of a police officer and inside knowledge of what it would take to up the productivity of all employees under his supervision, is a big PLUS for a Sheriff.
Hehe. Only name that I know that I can drop. **If** I can ever get retired, the Wife and I are moving not too far north of Phoenix where the high Sheriff is going to employ me part time in his polygraph unit. Between the State, the County and one City, that will make me officially a triple-dipper LOL.
I know you took my point as I took yours. Sheriffin' is all about vision, integrity, honesty. A little knowledge ain't bad either. Seems that my man Burkhalter has them all
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 03:26 am |
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BillT962 wrote: Jr.FanAlways wrote: BillT962 wrote: Optimus Prime wrote: Bill for the first time I strongly disagree with you!!! Not only should a Sheriff have strong LE experience, but should really be from within! Your basic LE officer has no clue what the job entales or requires!!! Nothing worse than having to train a dang sheriff cause he hasn't walked the trenches and learned along the way. That was the best thing about Burkhalter, he has done it all! When you get someone from the outside you set a sheriff's office behind 10 years because they are trying to get their head above the water and keep up instead of pushing forward, they simply become stagnant. When you say Hulsey has been on the edge of LE.........................the snake river is off the edge of the Grand Canyon. Way, Way, Way off.
LOL. Okay. let me clarify what I apparently very poorly stated. The best example of my point that I can think of is my (actually) very good friend Joe Arpaio of the Maricopa Co. AZ Sheriff's Office. He was an old Instructor of mine at the DEA's National Trainining Institute a hundred years ago. When he got close to giving it up, he decided he wanted to be a Sheriff. He had been arresting drug smugglers for a long time but also said that he didn't know one thing about Sheriffin'. He had a vision for Maricopa Co. He found the best people he could once elected and surrounded himself with them. The best operations guy I know, the best Jail guy he could find, and the best "other" people out there. He gave them the direction, said he would make speeches and get them the resources necessary to do the job and get out of their way. As you doubtless know, he has been phenomenally successful.
Now, it just so happens that the Sheriff happens to be a veteran cop. Far more so, in my opinion, he is a very good administrator and politician. I still believe that the 2nd is far more important than the first.
In a case where the Sheriff is the only LE there is, I suspect you are right.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Whoa, I am impressed. He is one of the best Sheriffs in the country! A hero of mine, and I don't have many. Sheriff Burkhalter would do well to follow his lead. Not knowing much about the other candidate, it is obvious, on this site that he doesn't have much support. Experience in the day to day work of a police officer and inside knowledge of what it would take to up the productivity of all employees under his supervision, is a big PLUS for a Sheriff.
Hehe. Only name that I know that I can drop. **If** I can ever get retired, the Wife and I are moving not too far north of Phoenix where the high Sheriff is going to employ me part time in his polygraph unit. Between the State, the County and one City, that will make me officially a triple-dipper LOL.
I know you took my point as I took yours. Sheriffin' is all about vision, integrity, honesty. A little knowledge ain't bad either. Seems that my man Burkhalter has them all
Just wanted to say that I too am a fan of Sheriff Joe and his frontier brand of justice. I just read that the AZ govenor has pulled his funding and I think that a lot of folks will be making contributions to help continue the good Arpaio has done. It's past time for someone to stand up and say if you do the crime, you do the time and do it hard. Too many criminals keep returning to prison because they have an eaiser life there then they do on the outside. I'll bet not many of Joe's prisoners want to ever go back.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 12:42 pm |
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 06:23 pm |
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IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT...
THATS THE OLD SAYING...
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I worked at the jail under the previous administration, and I was proud to be given the job by the Sheriff at the time. But as election time drew near, a change came over everything. I was told I would place bumper stickers on my personal vehicle, or wouldn't like the consequences. I was not told this by the Sheriff, but one of his command staff. So, I supported him 100%. After the primary, I was contacted by Tim, and he and I spoke at length about why I supported who I did. He fully understood, and he and I remained friends. After the primary, I supported Tim 100%, and I will continue to support Tim until He no longer needs my support. He has brought a department from the pits to the pinnacle. Morale when he took over absolutely SUCKED. You walked on eggshells during the previous admin, so it took a while to see that we had a Sheriff who cares and supports his officers, be they a jailer, deputy, secretary or maintenance worker. He has brought morale up by giving his people a chance to be involved in many programs. Programs that should have been initiated years ago. He will stop in the hallway and speak to you, and can tell you all of his peoples names. I have worked as a jailer, deputy, and corporal. At the present time, I work where I am needed the most. I have the backing of the Sheriff and his command staff on my job, and they are loyal to me. So my loyalty goes to TIM and his staff. He has visions of what a Sheriffs department should be, and he is striving to bring OUR department up to national standards and be one of the best. He isn't concerned with other problems. He Is concerned with running the FLOYD COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE as it should be. He should be commended for the programs he has initiated. He has saved the county countless dollars by changing some of the old ways of doing things to modern ways of OPERATION.
Edited to say, I am proud to work for the FCSO, and for SHERIFF BURKHALTER.
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So glad to hear that FRL loves his job!! Alot of the things that he stated about Tim is why I beleive that the turn over rate has dropped. When he supported his guys and other LEO in getting a raise it proved to them that he valued them and wanted more for them.
I am ready for my yard sign and the big sign that will go up at my hubby's warehouse in Model!
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| heard that FRL was employee of the month last month...................................true??????????????
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romegasir wrote: heard that FRL was employee of the month last month...................................true??????????????
yep, old(literally) FRL
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| BillT962 why are you not in the job that you had at the academy anymore? Did you have some kind of legal trouble?
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 12:19 pm |
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barnie wrote: BillT962 why are you not in the job that you had at the academy anymore? Did you have some kind of legal trouble?
Why does it have to be some kind of legal trouble? Could it have possibly been changing agencies, lateral transfer, promotion, end of assignment, routine rotation, better job offer, or any of a dozen other reasons?
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 12:22 pm |
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