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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 05:36 am |
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jpgreen007 wrote: Tim turned out to be ... the only hell his mama ever raised.... GO TIM.......
Johnny Paycheck, My, but the years are flying by. Didn't he die recently?
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 12:52 pm |
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barnie wrote: I agree, but too the ones who really try to do the wright thing have a hard time because alot of business owners do not want to give a convicted felon a job. So to supprt their families (the ones who want too do the wright thing) can't get a job, so they are kinda forced to go back to their old ways to do so. Now there are those that don't want any other way than jail, prison and three hots and a cot.
Some times, those people who do want to straighten out their lives are between a rock and a hard place (like a concrete wall). Knowing that it will be difficult to get a job if convicted of a crime should be a deterrent but the young criminal thinks he or she is 10 ft tall and bullet proof.
On the other hand, there are those who use the difficulty of finding companies that will hire them as an excuse to stop looking and go back to their criminal endeavors, usually at a more advanced level because they think they learned all the way to get away with their crimes from the prisoners they served with. They forget that those teachers got caught too.
Then there are those who find employers who are willing to give them a chance and they complain that they are not being paid what they are worth, the work is too hard, etc. They also go back to hanging around with the same old crowd that they were influenced by before getting caught, usually small time criminals, drug abusers, alcoholics, etc.
Those who are successful in turning their lives around are usually the ones who look for people who live the kind of lifestyle the former felon would like to live. Although our friends do not make us do things that are wrong, people are influenced by the others they come in contact with. How many convicted felons come from homes where the parents, aunts, uncles, older siblings, etc. are irresponsible? I would think that those who come from homes that set ground rules and try to teach right from wrong, would be fewer in the number of crimes and convictions.
Then there are the white color criminals who have every advantage and they are just as guilty of committing a criminal act as those who have no advantage. It makes you wonder if they always had that mind set or if they were just overcome by greed.
I think stronger enforcement would help deter some of the criminal activity but the penalties should be the same for like crimes committed for everyone, and not based on what color you are, where you come from or how much money you have.
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 02:11 pm |
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Spice wrote: barnie wrote: I agree, but too the ones who really try to do the wright thing have a hard time because alot of business owners do not want to give a convicted felon a job. So to supprt their families (the ones who want too do the wright thing) can't get a job, so they are kinda forced to go back to their old ways to do so. Now there are those that don't want any other way than jail, prison and three hots and a cot.
Some times, those people who do want to straighten out their lives are between a rock and a hard place (like a concrete wall). Knowing that it will be difficult to get a job if convicted of a crime should be a deterrent but the young criminal thinks he or she is 10 ft tall and bullet proof.
On the other hand, there are those who use the difficulty of finding companies that will hire them as an excuse to stop looking and go back to their criminal endeavors, usually at a more advanced level because they think they learned all the way to get away with their crimes from the prisoners they served with. They forget that those teachers got caught too.
Then there are those who find employers who are willing to give them a chance and they complain that they are not being paid what they are worth, the work is too hard, etc. They also go back to hanging around with the same old crowd that they were influenced by before getting caught, usually small time criminals, drug abusers, alcoholics, etc.
Those who are successful in turning their lives around are usually the ones who look for people who live the kind of lifestyle the former felon would like to live. Although our friends do not make us do things that are wrong, people are influenced by the others they come in contact with. How many convicted felons come from homes where the parents, aunts, uncles, older siblings, etc. are irresponsible? I would think that those who come from homes that set ground rules and try to teach right from wrong, would be fewer in the number of crimes and convictions.
Then there are the white color criminals who have every advantage and they are just as guilty of committing a criminal act as those who have no advantage. It makes you wonder if they always had that mind set or if they were just overcome by greed.
I think stronger enforcement would help deter some of the criminal activity but the penalties should be the same for like crimes committed for everyone, and not based on what color you are, where you come from or how much money you have.
Spice you said a mouth full I believe it starts with the youth and their raising, that why we need programs like "turning point" maybe it will reach some kids and deter some future crimes. we need to teach children from a very young age right from wrong. Society seems to teach there is a grey area and its ok, but I say its not ok.
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 02:31 pm |
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Gatorsmac wrote: Spice wrote: barnie wrote: I agree, but too the ones who really try to do the wright thing have a hard time because alot of business owners do not want to give a convicted felon a job. So to supprt their families (the ones who want too do the wright thing) can't get a job, so they are kinda forced to go back to their old ways to do so. Now there are those that don't want any other way than jail, prison and three hots and a cot.
Some times, those people who do want to straighten out their lives are between a rock and a hard place (like a concrete wall). Knowing that it will be difficult to get a job if convicted of a crime should be a deterrent but the young criminal thinks he or she is 10 ft tall and bullet proof.
On the other hand, there are those who use the difficulty of finding companies that will hire them as an excuse to stop looking and go back to their criminal endeavors, usually at a more advanced level because they think they learned all the way to get away with their crimes from the prisoners they served with. They forget that those teachers got caught too.
Then there are those who find employers who are willing to give them a chance and they complain that they are not being paid what they are worth, the work is too hard, etc. They also go back to hanging around with the same old crowd that they were influenced by before getting caught, usually small time criminals, drug abusers, alcoholics, etc.
Those who are successful in turning their lives around are usually the ones who look for people who live the kind of lifestyle the former felon would like to live. Although our friends do not make us do things that are wrong, people are influenced by the others they come in contact with. How many convicted felons come from homes where the parents, aunts, uncles, older siblings, etc. are irresponsible? I would think that those who come from homes that set ground rules and try to teach right from wrong, would be fewer in the number of crimes and convictions.
Then there are the white color criminals who have every advantage and they are just as guilty of committing a criminal act as those who have no advantage. It makes you wonder if they always had that mind set or if they were just overcome by greed.
I think stronger enforcement would help deter some of the criminal activity but the penalties should be the same for like crimes committed for everyone, and not based on what color you are, where you come from or how much money you have.
Spice you said a mouth full I believe it starts with the youth and their raising, that why we need programs like "turning point" maybe it will reach some kids and deter some future crimes. we need to teach children from a very young age right from wrong. Society seems to teach there is a grey area and its ok, but I say its not ok.
I totally agree that these programs are necessary but the youth need to be reached at an early age and often. Remember, they may already have bad influences involved in their lives at home.
I also think that although the information age is wonderful, too many children are going to never know how to do anything that does not involve electrical current or batteries. I think classes that teach them math without the use of calculators, and how to use things like kerosene lamps and wood cook stoves would be very beneficial. Survival techniques may become necessary in the near future and too many think survival means have a gun to kill your own food, even how to wash clothes and dry them if you have no electricity. They could also raise their own food, and learn to clean and cook it. There are so many things that children never learn, many of them have no clue how to cook and may spend the rest of their lives eating fast food and microwave meals.
I have in the past year had four electric coffee machines stop working. I searched for an old fashioned percolator (not the type with a cord), I finally found one on the INTERNET and ordered it. I also keep a manual can opener handy and I do a lot of my own canning.
If some of todays children had the opportunity to learn these things, it might wake them up to the fact that life is not always going to be convenient and that knowing what to do in an emergency situation can be beneficial.
I know that my ideas are old fashioned and that many people would turn their noses up at them but I taught my children to use encyclopedias, the thesaurus, and the dictionary when ever they wanted a question answered. I taught them to cook the basics and how to enhance many foods with spices. I taught them that we could grow better tasting food than what we could buy at the grocery, that's why my son is trying to get his farm going.
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:03 pm |
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Spice: Have you read the FireFox series of books? I've often thought that an elective class based on those books would be great in the school system.
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:50 pm |
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| Spice: no argument here that would be an ideal learning environment, when does class start.. LOL....There are adults that need that kind of learning.....
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:54 pm |
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Commission Watcher wrote: Spice: Have you read the FireFox series of books? I've often thought that an elective class based on those books would be great in the school system.
-CW
I read some of them years ago but my education came from growing up in a two room shack with a wood cook stove in one room, a franklin heater in the other and two kerosine lamps. My grandmother who raised me was Cherokee and Comache, she taught me a lot of the old ways and when I was 8 years old, (my mom and dad divorced when I was a baby), my mother remarried and I chose to stay with my grandmother. She could tell you the names of every tree and wild plant in the woods and make use of many of them.
She picked berries and made jelly and jam (I still do it her way with no pectin). She made our own soap from lye and pot ash and she washed our clothes in a cast iron pot with a fire built under it. We got electricity when I was in 3rd grade and she bought a wringer washer. She moved to South Pittsburgh, TN from Texas in 1900. That is where the Lodge cast iron is made and I still cook in the same cast iron skilets she used. Food taste better cooked in cast iron.
I learned to sew on a Singer treadle machine. Granny would go down where they were doing road construction and pick up the empty cement sacks. She would wash them, bleach them and dye them with walnut stain. she would cut up innertubes to make elastic and that is how she made underwear for us. I had lots of flour sack dresses too. We raised our own food, had a garden, chickens, cow, etc.
I just think the majority of todays youth have never known anything except modern technology and if there is a power outage, they whine because they can't play their viedio games. Idle minds and idle hands. They would probably give you a fight if you tried to get them into classes like that but if you could ever get a few interested, the rest might follow. You can never learn too much and although I think technology is great, I also think it is a big part of the reason many of todays children are not doing well in school, everything is done automatically for them.
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:55 pm |
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Gatorsmac wrote: Spice: no argument here that would be an ideal learning environment, when does class start.. LOL....There are adults that need that kind of learning.....
Let me know when you are ready and I will put you to work on our farm. We could use the help.
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 04:07 pm |
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Commission Watcher wrote: Spice: Have you read the FireFox series of books? I've often thought that an elective class based on those books would be great in the school system.
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was that the series of Eliot Wiginton? good stuff from a literary standpoint but he is a convicted child molester. He may or may not be out of prison now
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 04:12 pm |
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| I hope you guys don't mind but rather than continue to hyjack a thread that is promoting re electing Tim Burkhaulter, I would like to move this discussion to a new thread. I will call it "The old folks way". I hope some or all of you will join me there, I just received an e-mail that I plan to post there.
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 10:08 pm |
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From an RN-T article...........talking about the little glass meth pipes they sell at convenience stores with the tiny rose in them.......................Read this:
Sheriff Tim Burkhalter said many stores sell the pipes with mini roses inside.
“They’re inside a tiny beaker, and the rose is in the end of it,” Burkhalter said. They are usually about $2.
“They are legal; … (convenience stores) aren’t selling them for illegal purposes. They’re selling them for legal purposes,” Jacobs said. “You can smoke pipe or cigarette tobacco out of it, too.”
Burkhalter was a little more critical. “If your boyfriend gave you that rose, you should slap him,” Burkhalter added. “They’re basically just selling a crack pipe with a rose in it, to justify that it’s not drug paraphernalia.”
That is Freakin' hilarious and if I didn't already plan to vote for Tim, I would now..........................................I also like the comparison between the county-raised officer Burkhalter who is saying "we know what they're doing and it's WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!" compared to the city-raised officer Jacobs who knows better than to say anything at all that could be considered controversial........................................................
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Well I must ask...............................who are the store owners who push this crap????????????? I am gonna let someone else open that can........what I will say is that if everyone would do business with reputable store owners like Evans store in Coosa or Maple Minute in Lindale.............or Kangaroo stores...........they would put these people out of business..................this type of store owner is also the ones who sale Knives to children, Beer to underage, lighters that look like guns, and porn to whomever holds the money. God Bless America!
Got off the Thread a little........................Go Burkhalter!
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 01:35 am |
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OP, surely you are not saying that the Indians are selling this stuff for anything else than a sweet gift for your love! I can not beleive that you would think that they would ever think that they would be promoting drug use!!!
My My What has the world come to!!!!
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 01:39 am |
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they don't "promote" it, they just lawfully profit from the demand for meth/crack pipes...............................................
and if I had been a Rome City Officer, I'd tell you all that folks who buy matches, red devil lye, acetone and large quantities of ephedrine were ASSUMED to be perfect Rome citizens who happened to have sinus problems, smoke a lot, have clogged pipes at home and were planning on re-painting their homes.....................
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 01:46 am |
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let us not forget:
"Operation Meth Merchant."
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