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Leonidas
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 04:55 pm |
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Tex wrote: Well first of all Leonidas, you are correct, we probably don't know each other. My comments were not directed at you specifically. They are general opinions I have formed about socialism/communism. I am not trying to flame you nor discredit your opinion in any way. However, I strongly feel that the research I have conducted concerning Barack Obama have come from legitimate sources that Democrats readily try to disqualify. I am not a "Right-winger" nor am I a Republican. I am not a Democrat. I am an independant voter who is one of the 30-40 percent that will elect the next president. 30-35% are Democrats and they are voting for Barack. 30-35 percent are Republican and are going to vote most likely for John McCain. The independant voter will decide this election.
If you are going to say things are lies and propaganda, please quote your sources.
Can you tell me what is attractive about Obama. Can you tell me what kind of "change" he is going to bring to our country.
People keep talking Obama, but can't tell us what his platform really is.
Tex, I have already provided a source from the Chicago Tribune discrediting your post about Andy Martin. I also quoted CNN about Obama's education in Indonesia. He was educated in a public school, not a muslim school. You then told me that you do not accept CNN as a reputable source. You say that you are not right-wing, but you quote right wing. I don't think our arguing is going to convince either of us to change his/her views.
As far as Obama's platform, here is what I like:- He is new to Washington. He has a fresh approach.
- Iraq. He wants to remove us from the war we should not have been in. I am all for military action in Afghanistan and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. I am not for the war in Iraq or possible war in Iran.
- Immigration. Republicans say they want to send all 12 million plus illegal aliens back to their home country, yet offer no workable way to accomplish this. Those people are not leaving. I am for the fine for entering illegally and then a pathway to citizenship.
- Taxes. He wants to do away with the tax breaks to the upper class and give tax breaks to middle class (under $250,000 in income).
- Economy. McCain does not have a plan. The last two Republican presidents (Bush and Bush 2.0) have led us into wars and recessions.
- Healthcare. I am not for a single payer system, but I think the government has to get involved. The market has not been able to correct the healthcare problem. Health insurance premiums are starting to come close to mortgage payments.
- Environment. I am not 100% convinced in the global warming issues, but I believe the environment should be respected.
I know you are going to have a response to everything I mentioned and that is your opinion. I am tired of arguing about this and think we should agree to disagree.
Here is my edit:
I also consider myself an independent. My voting record shows that. I sometimes vote Republican, other times I vote Democrat. I think America needs a change in perspective as President. McCain will follow in Bush's footsteps. Most people will tell you they don't like Bush. I am voting for that change in Obama. I am now stepping down from my soap box.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:22 pm |
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WHY WE SHOUDN'T HAVE ANOTHER BLACK PRESIDENT
I am not prejudiced. Far from it. What I am—or, I should say, who I am—is a man who loves his country so deeply that he is unwilling to stand idly by while our nation allows itself to be completely annihilated by another incoming comet.
Have we learned nothing from the tragic events of 1998, when, under the watch of President Morgan Freeman, this nation was plunged into chaos, and hundreds of millions of people died at the hands of the deadly Wolf-Beiderman space rock? The mere fact that this country is even considering putting another black man, Barack Obama, in the Oval Office proves that we have not.
We can't deny the facts, people. All we will get by electing an African-American is Texas-size space particles crashing into the Earth's surface, mega-tsunamis that barrel into the Appalachian Mountains, and 6.6 billion dead people.
I'm not suggesting that President Freeman was directly responsible for the creation of the Wolf-Beiderman comet or its Earth-bound path. That would be ridiculous. What I am saying is that under the watch of a black man that comet destroyed the entire Eastern seaboard. So, if history is any indicator, a vote for Barack Obama in 2008 is essentially a vote for the complete and total obliteration of the human race.
Don't we owe it to our children, and our children's children, to use this upcoming election to guarantee the Earth's existence rather than dooming it for eternity?
To even risk putting Mr. Obama in a position where he would insist, as past black presidents have, that our nuclear arsenal is powerful enough to divert the incoming comet would be foolish, to say the least. Any decision like that would only break the fast-approaching space rock into two very powerful asteroids, both of which would end up heading straight for Earth, leaving all of us who aren't on the small list of people picked to live in the government-sponsored protective caves to burn, drown, or die while in the arms of our estranged fathers. The only difference is, this time around, the late astronaut Robert Duvall will not be alive to save millions of lives by conducting a suicide space mission to destroy the larger of the two asteroids before it enters the Earth's atmosphere.
In my book, any possible repeat of this extinction-level event is reason enough not to elect another African-American president. Consider that later that same summer, just two months after the first deep impact, this very country once again faced Armageddon in the form of another comet hurtling toward Earth. In this instance, under the watch of a white president who sort of looked like an older Dennis Quaid, that catastrophe was avoided entirely.
As if that is not enough, history shows us that, besides carrying the baggage of a guaranteed asteroid strike, black heads of state also give terrorists extra motivation to destroy the United States. During the presidency of 24's David Palmer, there were no fewer than four nuclear bombs smuggled into this country. That's four more than under any white president. Though we should have known better than to elect President Palmer in the first place (he was elected three years after President Freeman left office), the U.S. populace made him the commander in chief because it was swayed by then-Senator Palmer's commitment to change, his no-nonsense approach, and his ability to inspire. Sound familiar?†
Asteroids and nuclear bombs—that's what this nation can expect from an Obama White House.
Need I even mention that former President Chris Rock and his administration's slogan was "The only thing white is the house"? Though this attitude broke down the stuffiness typically associated with proper White House decorum, President Rock's laissez-faire approach not only made a mockery of the office at home, but made the United States look like a joke abroad.
I concede that the United States has had a competent African-American president in the huge black guy from the The Fifth Element, who did great things for this country by keeping the evil Mr. Zorg at bay. But that is years from now. There is no denying that by 2236, when we have flying taxicabs, this country will be ready for a black president. But until then, if we want life in this great land to continue as we know it, we owe it to ourselves to make the right choice and reelect Kevin Kline.
I coudn't resist posting this after I found it on The Onion: War for the Whitehouse.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:56 pm |
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| Why couldn't you resist? There is a distinct possibility that there could be a black president in the near future. You appear to be uncomfortable with that. Might as well face the possibility without all the jokes. Last edited on Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:58 pm by Wild H Woman
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 10:34 pm |
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| I have got no problem with a black president, I have got a problem with a liberal president!
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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| Ouch. You could be in a world of hurt this time around. Obama, Clinton, McCain....liberals.....all of them. Only difference McCain is a liberal pretending to be a Republican.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 12:06 am |
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Leonidas wrote:
As far as Obama's platform, here is what I like:
- He is new to Washington. He has a fresh approach.
- Iraq. He wants to remove us from the war we should not have been in. I am all for military action in Afghanistan and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. I am not for the war in Iraq or possible war in Iran.
- Immigration. Republicans say they want to send all 12 million plus illegal aliens back to their home country, yet offer no workable way to accomplish this. Those people are not leaving. I am for the fine for entering illegally and then a pathway to citizenship.
- Taxes. He wants to do away with the tax breaks to the upper class and give tax breaks to middle class (under $250,000 in income).
- Economy. McCain does not have a plan. The last two Republican presidents (Bush and Bush 2.0) have led us into wars and recessions.
- Healthcare. I am not for a single payer system, but I think the government has to get involved. The market has not been able to correct the healthcare problem. Health insurance premiums are starting to come close to mortgage payments.
- Environment. I am not 100% convinced in the global warming issues, but I believe the environment should be respected.
Sounds good on paper but I have yet to hear how all this is going to come about, how it is going to be financed and how he plans to get the entire Congress and Senate to buy into all of it?
I'm not advocating anyone vote for any one particular candidate but I've yet to hear the "nuts and bolts" of any of the campaign proposals. And do we want the government that has managed to practically bankrupt the social security program (a democrat party program by the way) to be involved further in social engineering? Ask Canada and England the cost and their means to finance socialized medicine. As for the war in Iraq, what is the plan to withdrawl without leaving a bigger mess than we have already created? We probably shouldn't have been there in the first place but now that we are, aren't we responsible for cleaning up our mistake? What's the game plan?
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 06:26 am |
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| I think we should just all vote "NONE OF THE ABOVE". Or scratch Hitlery's, Osama's, and Mckennedy's name off the ticket and start from scratch. I am none too satisfied with any candidate at the moment.
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Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 12:09 pm |
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Just reading the last page of this topic...here are a few thins I would like to respond to:
Tex
Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school
My answer is...So What??? He was a child...attending school and besides that, not all Muslims are bad people....Muslim is a religion just as christianity is a religion...there are those that take religion to radical fanatical extremes in both groups!!
As far as your communist remarks...I dare you to find 1 leader that hasn't had some ties with someone of questionable character. Look at the Bush administration and how many have been caught up in scandal after scandal....I can post examples if you can't remember or if you simply weren't paying attention!
Tex
If the Democrats win the White House this country will become very weak again as it was with the Clinton Administration
Have you not noticed that this country is weak now?? Have you watched the events unfolding on the stock market lately??
Tex
His experience level is less than adequate, his past is not very clear and the general voting body will see through it all.
LOL..according to the polls...the general voting body is all for Obama..he has taken the lead...kept the lead and his numbers are growing each day!
leonidas
I also do not believe that Obama is a communist/socialist. If I thought that, I would not support him. I could post trash about McCain as well, but I will not resort to that level.
Good for you leonidas...have you noticed also that Obama's campaign is not about mudslinging...I have watched as Obama has personally confronted the smears made against him by the other candidates...I have also watched as he adresses those issues without resorting to he same tactics. I think a lot of people have noticed and that is part of his appeal.
Obama's platform?? Obama has addressed the economy, healthcare.energy, education, technology and foreign policy with the emphasis on the situation in Iraq.
His ability to understand the issues and to address the people are qualities worth promoting and the fact that Obama has not accepted any donations from large corporations and special interest groups has been hugely successful...his donations have came from ordinary people just like myself...yet his campaign has over one million individual donors...OUTSTANDING!!
From Obama'swebsite:
"When I announced my candidacy a little over a year ago, I knew we wouldn't be able to compete unless hundreds of thousands of ordinary people got involved and took a personal stake in this campaign. As of today, over one million people have donated -- an extraordinary outpouring that has exceeded everybody's expectations.
There is a palpable hunger for something new in this country -- a politics that isn't accountable to K Street, but to Main Street, a politics that prioritizes the concerns of ordinary people over the clout of corporate lobbyists. One million people with one voice have registered their desire for change -- and that's a voice that can no longer be ignored.
I'm humbled by this historic total, and I'm proud of the fact that 90% of our contributions have come in amounts of $100 or less, and that we haven't taken a dime from Washington lobbyists or special interest PACs.
But what I'm humbled by most is that in this campaign, we're seeing that with each new day, someone else cares. With each new day, somebody else believes in the possibility of change. With each new day, someone who never thought they'd ever get active in the political process participates. Because so many ordinary people are participating this time, each day our improbable goal becomes more and more probable. "
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I had to put my 2 cents worth in. Personally Obama scares me, I'm sure that the fact that his father was a Muslim and that his mother is a wackjob have something to do with that fact. I would definately vote for a black man or a woman if I thought that they were the right person for the job. But Obama, although he identifies strongly as a Christian and despises the behavior of his father (obama said to oprah on her show) he is a man who muslims think is a muslim. In Arab culture and under the Islamic law, if your father is a muslim so are you, you cannot go back. In Islamic eyes Obama is certainly a muslim. He may think he is a Christian but they do not.
Hillary, scares me also. She is socialist. McCain may not be the best for the job but if he picks someone like Condoleeza Rice to be his running mate, that will put him in a much stronger position. I'm hoping that is what he does, I believe that she will make up for his short comings. So my pick for 08 is McCain/Rice.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 11:19 pm |
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ever123 wrote: I had to put my 2 cents worth in. Personally Obama scares me, I'm sure that the fact that his father was a Muslim and that his mother is a wackjob have something to do with that fact. I would definately vote for a black man or a woman if I thought that they were the right person for the job. But Obama, although he identifies strongly as a Christian and despises the behavior of his father (obama said to oprah on her show) he is a man who muslims think is a muslim. In Arab culture and under the Islamic law, if your father is a muslim so are you, you cannot go back. In Islamic eyes Obama is certainly a muslim. He may think he is a Christian but they do not.
Hillary, scares me also. She is socialist. McCain may not be the best for the job but if he picks someone like Condoleeza Rice to be his running mate, that will put him in a much stronger position. I'm hoping that is what he does, I believe that she will make up for his short comings. So my pick for 08 is McCain/Rice.
Are you worried about muslims "taking over" the country like they have in the Europe? This country is along way off from being taken over by muslims. In fact I think it won't happen; Christians won't allow it to happen :O
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 12:21 pm |
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| I hope that you are right. I'm not scared that Muslims will take over. I personally do not think that the United States Of America should be ran by someone who has the ties that Obama has to Muslims. Muslims are ordered by the writings in the koran to kill all infidels(anyone who is not a believer of Allah) Meaning you as a Christian and me. That is not the only thing that I have against Obama, look at his voting record in the senate he voted present meaning he did not vote yea or nay at least 130 times. I believe that would be "ducking the issues". I do not want a President who "ducks the issues" that our country faces now and in the future.
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Thank god people are coming to their senses. Glad to see the media has been asking Obama some real questions. That loud chopping sound you all are hearing, well thats the sound of Obamas legs being chopped out from under him.
Over the next several weeks the democrats are going to turn very ugly. This is setting itself up to be one of the closests promaries in history. Thank God for the Texas republicans that crossed over and voted for Hillary.
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 11:06 pm |
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ever123 wrote: I had to put my 2 cents worth in. Personally Obama scares me, I'm sure that the fact that his father was a Muslim and that his mother is a wackjob have something to do with that fact. I would definately vote for a black man or a woman if I thought that they were the right person for the job. But Obama, although he identifies strongly as a Christian and despises the behavior of his father (obama said to oprah on her show) he is a man who muslims think is a muslim. In Arab culture and under the Islamic law, if your father is a muslim so are you, you cannot go back. In Islamic eyes Obama is certainly a muslim. He may think he is a Christian but they do not.
Hillary, scares me also. She is socialist. McCain may not be the best for the job but if he picks someone like Condoleeza Rice to be his running mate, that will put him in a much stronger position. I'm hoping that is what he does, I believe that she will make up for his short comings. So my pick for 08 is McCain/Rice.
That would indeed be a strong ticket.But she has already said several times NO THANKS,NOT INTERESTED.
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 11:19 pm |
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Tex wrote: Thank god people are coming to their senses. Glad to see the media has been asking Obama some real questions. That loud chopping sound you all are hearing, well thats the sound of Obamas legs being chopped out from under him.
Over the next several weeks the democrats are going to turn very ugly. This is setting itself up to be one of the closests promaries in history. Thank God for the Texas republicans that crossed over and voted for Hillary.
Ms.Clinton was asked today if she won would she consider a combined ticket with Mr.Change.She would not rule it out,he brushed off the question.
I have 3 words for you..OH MY GOD.
Much will depend on McCain's VP choice.
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Coggers wrote:
His ability to understand the issues and to address the people are qualities worth promoting and the fact that Obama has not accepted any donations from large corporations and special interest groups has been hugely successful...his donations have came from ordinary people just like myself...yet his campaign has over one million individual donors...OUTSTANDING!!
If you go to opensecrets.org, you can see who is donating to who's campaign. I am not putting the full chart here, but thought it VERY interesting that for Ron Paul, his top donors are members of the military which makes me look at him again because they are in the middle of warfare right now up close and personal. - Army, Navy, Airforce and the US Dept. of Defense.
Here are Obama's top donors-note the disclaimer: HOW TO READ THIS CHART: This chart lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
BARACK OBAMA (D)
Top Contributors
$474,428
Ubs Ag
$298,180
JP Morgan Chase & Co
$282,387
Lehman Brothers
$274,147
National Amusements Inc
$265,750
Sidley Austin LLP
$251,657
Citigroup Inc
$247,436
University of California
$239,944
Skadden, Arps et al
$228,520
Exelon Corp
$226,661
Harvard University
$225,891
Jones Day
$213,825
Google Inc
$192,808
Time Warner
$190,091
Morgan Stanley
$190,026
Citadel Investment Group
$173,950
Kirkland & Ellis
$163,126
Latham & Watkins
$160,842
WilmerHale LLP
$155,788
Jenner & Block
$151,447
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