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stoker
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Posted: Sat Apr 5th, 2008 10:27 pm |
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| I would have quoted the last three posts but it would have taken too much time to sort and separate the mess. Just one question though. Those of you who have jobs now, are the ones that this question are directed at. Would you go to work tomorrow morning for 10 or 12 dollars an hour? Before you answer, consider the fact that you are probably making more than that, but be willing to take a pay cut to take that 10 or 12 dollar an hour job. It's easy to say things like "get a job", "what's wrong with these people", "there are jobs out there if you're willing to work". You want this fixed? That's going to take EVERYONE, regardless of their social status in life to say we have had enough and get TOGETHER (not going to happen) and do what's right for the good of all rather than what's good for you and screw everybody else. Until that happens, pull your big girl panties up and get over it. Fixing the issues we face today will take some commitment on everyone's part and a lot of us will have to make some adjustments. I don't think people are willing to do that. It is an: As long as it don't affect me culture in the U.S. and until that is changed, nothing else will be resolved.
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Deaglos
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 12:08 am |
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stoker wrote: I would have quoted the last three posts but it would have taken too much time to sort and separate the mess. Just one question though. Those of you who have jobs now, are the ones that this question are directed at. Would you go to work tomorrow morning for 10 or 12 dollars an hour? Before you answer, consider the fact that you are probably making more than that, but be willing to take a pay cut to take that 10 or 12 dollar an hour job. It's easy to say things like "get a job", "what's wrong with these people", "there are jobs out there if you're willing to work". You want this fixed? That's going to take EVERYONE, regardless of their social status in life to say we have had enough and get TOGETHER (not going to happen) and do what's right for the good of all rather than what's good for you and screw everybody else. Until that happens, pull your big girl panties up and get over it. Fixing the issues we face today will take some commitment on everyone's part and a lot of us will have to make some adjustments. I don't think people are willing to do that. It is an: As long as it don't affect me culture in the U.S. and until that is changed, nothing else will be resolved.
Until very recently I did earn just that, and that is why I worked 3 jobs.
And yes I still work 2 of those jobs for just that, and still find time to do a few things with my kids, it is hard as hell and I would love to have more free time but as my free time is usually doing things not only for my kids but all the kids in my area that dont usually have much to do, I will keep going. Hell tonight I could have sat at home doing nothing but relax, instead I just got done showing a movie to 23 kids (Alvin and the Chipmunks) that would not have been able to see it otherwise.
I am happy to make what I do make now, which is not much over that, but if I had to work for 10 to 12 bucks an hour or drive to Atlanta to make 20 I would still be here, and as that was my choice I can prove I did just that.
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romegasir
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 04:27 am |
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| I would consider driving to atlanta every day for $15K more than I make now.....and of course would look at it for 13,500 or 14,000........but when you start getting in the 12K range, i can tell you that would not happen................................if I ever think about going to atlanta area, I just drive down there for a weekend and that changes my mind quick.................
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ArmedCitizen
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 04:31 am |
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I would be glad to take 10-12 dollars an hour. I make about a quarters worth of lint more than minimum wage. I currently consider myself having about 5 jobs. One of those is a student. None of those make more than $8.00/hr. I average about a hundred hours a week, on top of my classes. I am insured, I pay my bills on time, I have payed and am still paying my way through school.
So to the people saying Americans won't do those jobs for less than 10 an hour, I believe you just haven't looked.
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Waterhead
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 04:38 am |
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I don't mean to be ugly (but it's in my dna) but most people from south of the border are described as proud, if anything, so I ask, "Proud of what?" Their countries that are so rotten they have to flee to the north to get a decent job? Yeah, baby, be proud of that, why don't you?
Wasn't NAFTA supposed to bring prosperity to these nations? Can we repeal it, then, seeing as how the illegal influx has gotten worse since NAFTA?
And how can we, the U.S. sit idly by while these countries in our hemisphere slowly rot and decay? Is it not in our best interest to do something about it? Can we not send delegates to ask them what in the name of Sam Hill is going on down there to make their citizens flee their countries like rats from a sinking ship? Then offer to help them figure out how to tell "which thumb goes where"?
I'm all for any immigrant who wants to come to this country legally getting in, but honest to God, what we see before us now is a joke. No, we can't get rid of the ones here, but we need to find a way to slam the border shut. How about make a huge military base out of the entire border region, and practice live fire and mine clearing? Hey, it's our land, so why not? Anybody whines, so what?
And for the record, indigenous peoples down there warred on each other for ages, taking land from one another all the time. So how dare they whine like babies about our west coast states? Hey, guess what they did to the loser's men, women, and children? Did the U.S. do anything like that to them? Or to the American Indians? I think it's high time people start thinking about stuff like that, and start pushing back. It's our darn country now, you want it, come take it.
Ooh, but maybe they are. What if there's some "manifest destiny" mindset among them? What if this is some sinister plot of theirs to gain a foot hold in this country, flooding it with their people, and their decendants, then in a few generations, they will be in a position to take it back? If we don't do something soon, this may just come about...
God, I need to get to sleep and quit thinking outside the box. I'm scaring myself.
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 04:41 am |
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| I doubt it's a plan........you just wake up one day and you're in a position of power............................you can spew your position unabashed, and those who your position harms find it "noble" to accept your position............
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Deaglos
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 01:24 pm |
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ArmedCitizen wrote: I would be glad to take 10-12 dollars an hour. I make about a quarters worth of lint more than minimum wage. I currently consider myself having about 5 jobs. One of those is a student. None of those make more than $8.00/hr. I average about a hundred hours a week, on top of my classes. I am insured, I pay my bills on time, I have payed and am still paying my way through school.
So to the people saying Americans won't do those jobs for less than 10 an hour, I believe you just haven't looked.
AC I am very proud of you and your achievements, but you cant tell me that you don't know at least 2 of your peers that have all the same opportunities as you, but refuse to do them because of pay or it is just to hard.
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 01:34 pm |
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| One should also remember yes they warred for ages in those countries south of us, but the civilizations down there such as the Mayans,Toltecs, Inca's & Aztecs, actually outlasted the modern USA in there times, and do to border wars and a general lack of not wanting to move forward, became extinct with the last of them being wiped out when the Spanish invaded, but that was after many centuries of being very proud civilizations.
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ArmedCitizen
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 02:07 pm |
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Deaglos wrote: ArmedCitizen wrote: I would be glad to take 10-12 dollars an hour. I make about a quarters worth of lint more than minimum wage. I currently consider myself having about 5 jobs. One of those is a student. None of those make more than $8.00/hr. I average about a hundred hours a week, on top of my classes. I am insured, I pay my bills on time, I have payed and am still paying my way through school.
So to the people saying Americans won't do those jobs for less than 10 an hour, I believe you just haven't looked.
AC I am very proud of you and your achievements, but you cant tell me that you don't know at least 2 of your peers that have all the same opportunities as you, but refuse to do them because of pay or it is just to hard.
Yes I'll agree with you to an extent. There are those who are offended to work for less than $x.xx/hr. But on the other side of the token, thier are still people like many of us, who understand responsibility, and will work to provide no matter what the pay.
I'll be honest, it's dang hard to get by on minimum wage. But if you manage your lifestyle to stay within the bounds of your means, you can get by. I am not married yet, have kids, own a home. Not that I don't want these things. But I've made the sacrifice, as well as my better half, to wait until we can guarantee the ways and means.
I gotta run, but I got more to say later.
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Waterhead
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 04:30 am |
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Deaglos wrote: One should also remember yes they warred for ages in those countries south of us, but the civilizations down there such as the Mayans,Toltecs, Inca's & Aztecs, actually outlasted the modern USA in there times, and do to border wars and a general lack of not wanting to move forward, became extinct with the last of them being wiped out when the Spanish invaded, but that was after many centuries of being very proud civilizations.
That's a kind of a cockeyed way of looking at it. Heck, the sun never set on some of my ancestor's lands. Besides, the U.S. is a young country made up of imigrants from all other countries. We have a heritage that encompasses the globe.
But I was talking about what do they have to be proud of in their countries RIGHT NOW, as in, "if it's so great, wtf are you doing here"?
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Waterhead
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 05:05 am |
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ROP wrote: The latest advertising campaign in Mexico from Swedish vodka maker Absolut promises to push all the right buttons south of the U.S. border, but it could ruffle a few feathers in El Norte.
(LET THE FLAMES BEGIN, LOL)
Last edited on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 05:05 am by Waterhead
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