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Deaglos
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 07:14 pm |
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I firmly believe in no illegal aliens, but have to disagree with some of the ways put out for it to stop.
Better enforcement and a fence /wall yes. But in todays world we are very digital, and have no need for armed guards that can lose control fast gaurding it heavily.
As for national id's that really needs to be carefully implemented if at all, as it can also lead to vicious controls of the liberty we love. There is no easy answer to anything.
Yes my family has been in the USA for a very very long time, as a matter of fact only a few imported before us, and the American Indians would have been smart to kick us out too.
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exterran
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 07:25 pm |
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Spice wrote:
I'm one quarter American Indian. That won't even buy me a cup of coffee in this country, and I have ancestors who came through Ellis Island too. Makes no difference where my ancestors came from over a hundred years ago, I was born here and I am an American citizen. Says so on my birth certificate and passport!
As far as cheaper goods, have you seen anything cheaper? The only thing I have seen says made in Mexico, Honduras, China, India, Taiwan, etc. We still pay more for an automobile, home, food, clothing, etc. than we did a few years ago. Any so called savings from cheap labor is going in the pocket of the builder or manufacturer, not the consumer.
You advocate keeping illegals here for cheap labor, so when enough Americans have been put out of work, no one will be able to buy those "cheap goods" no matter how cheap they are. The government wants to bring trucks in from Mexico to deliver our goods, what does that do to the American trucker who is only trying to feed his family? Only the illegals who are still working and paying no taxes and taking advantage of our government programs will be able to afford to feed their families.
Actually, I stated earlier that I support the fence, I still do support it, but unless certain underlying problems are addressed, the fence only delays the problem or lessens it slightly. I hoped my comments would generate more thought than this because when any of us takes a position on something, there always is another side to consider.
As for illegals doing farm work ... I support they're existence on this side of the fence so long as they agree to become legal, learn English and contribute as the rest of us legal folks do within a short period of time.
As for things made elsewhere, this is a byproduct of our government selling us out for free trade and fast dollars while ignoring the human rights issues many of these countries have. Sure China can make things cheaper, they can force people to work for nothing if they choose to.
As for the value of the dollar goes, should you wish for it to improve and prices of foreign goods to drop, then I encourage you to write the folks in DC and tell them to try passing a balanced budget for once and pay down the national debt. They also must curb some of the domestic welfare programs, like the ones which provide for undocumented persons. Remember though, an undocumented person can be an illegal alien or a homeless person somewhere. (I have seen, in person, where homeless can get food stamps too ... without documentation. Should we crack down on the illegals, they soon will figure this out too - just play homeless)
All I am saying here is that building the wall alone will not work by itself. Should we do only that, it would be much like making your boat hull from swiss cheese.
I will say that, having read Edward Gibbon's book, "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" that I find these times perilous as there are many historical parallels which can be drawn. Feel free to read it yourselves here: http://books.google.com/books?id=iHgLAAAAYAAJ
The problem as I see it is not simply one of illegal immigration, rather more of one which begs the question, "just how do you manage to put Pandora back in her box?"
"He who would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 07:58 pm |
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I have given the issue a great deal of thought and research. I started about 5 years ago when a 9 year old boy was molested by an illegal alien who should not have even been in this country. The man worked with me and I thought he was a nice guy so it came as quite a shock. Yes, we have Americans who are child molesters but why import more, at least those who are American can be sent to prison, if the person is illegal, they get a slap on the hand and are sent home, only to steal another ID and return with a new name.
I have read The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire and we can draw parallels all day from many other books of ancient history including the Bible. They still do not solve the problem. America was build by immigrants. There is a big difference between immigrants and illegal aliens. Immigrants followed our laws and truly wanted to become American citizens and I have every respect for them. Illegal aliens have no interest in becoming Americans, I worked with about 350 of them and they would all tell you that as soon as they have enough (American) money, they plan to return and retire in their home countries.
Tex said it correctly, take away all the government benefits, drivers licenses, fine employers until they quit hiring illegal aliens and they will self deport.
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exterran
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 08:11 pm |
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Spice wrote: ... if the person is illegal, they get a slap on the hand and are sent home, only to steal another ID and return with a new name.
I actually grew up in Florida and watched as Florida was also invaded by illegals from the south. An ocean/gulf did not stop them and a fence is much smaller than 90 miles of water.
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 08:35 pm |
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exterran wrote: I actually grew up in Florida and watched as Florida was also invaded by illegals from the south. An ocean/gulf did not stop them and a fence is much smaller than 90 miles of water.
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
Ok, we have got the problem solved then, all illegals move to Exterran's place in Cloudland.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 09:15 pm |
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The latest advertising campaign in Mexico from Swedish vodka maker Absolut promises to push all the right buttons south of the U.S. border, but it could ruffle a few feathers in El Norte.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 09:20 pm |
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| I do agree that the indians were treated unfairly. Our ancesters kicked them off their land. They became the US by means of aggression. The Mexicans are doing it by means of populating and eventually will have the majority in this nation to vote an all spanish govt. This is one reason why illegal immigration needs to be stopped and stopped now. The other is they are not helping our economy by working for dimes and nickles, they are killing it by using our resources of govt. funding. Ship them all back, build the fence and dare them to cross illegally again.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 10:44 pm |
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It is my understanding that any new Supervisors at Shaw are required to know Spanish? Why? Anyone with the facts of this or have I been misled?
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:18 pm |
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| 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77 Last edited on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:23 pm by ROP
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:32 pm |
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Jr.FanAlways wrote: It is my understanding that any new Supervisors at Shaw are required to know Spanish? Why? Anyone with the facts of this or have I been misled?
I would think that the requirement would be so that they can supervise more effiecently. Shaw has made a business decision that their supervisors should not have to track down a translator (if one exists on that shift) in order to give instructions to their employees.
Seems like a well thought out business decision to me.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:46 pm |
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I recently read that in the State of Georgia almost 60% of the people recieving Medicaid are children. Of that 60%, 70% were children of undocumented illegal aliens that birthed their children in Georgia. I can't remember the numbers involved and can't find the webpage again, but it was extremly high, like in the neighbor hood of 150,000. So our current number of illegals is supposedly 280,000 in Georgia that would mean at least half of them have kids probably on Medicaid.
I found these numbers while searching for that article:
#1
California:
2,209,000
#2
Texas:
1,041,000
#3
New York:
489,000
#4
Illinois:
432,000
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Florida:
337,000
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Arizona:
283,000
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Georgia:
228,000
United States Total:
6,994,000
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Posted: Sat Apr 5th, 2008 12:01 am |
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6,994,000 Illegal Mexican immigrants in the country. Let's do some math.
If they are equally distributed that would be 3,497000 males and 3,497000 females.
So probably 3, 497,000 couples.
Let's say they have 3 kids, no, let's change that their Catholic so 4 kids per family. That is a total of 13,988,000 kids + the parents 6,994,000=20,982,000
That is this generation. A grand total of 20,982,000 people that illegal immigration has placed in our country.
Now if that generation sticks to their guns and does likewise, somewhere in the next 25-50 years, we could be looking at 35-50 million people due to illegal immigration.
I am sorry, that is not acceptable!
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Posted: Sat Apr 5th, 2008 12:02 am |
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ROP wrote: The latest advertising campaign in Mexico from Swedish vodka maker Absolut promises to push all the right buttons south of the U.S. border, but it could ruffle a few feathers in El Norte.
This makes me very, very angry!
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Posted: Sat Apr 5th, 2008 12:08 am |
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The smart business move would be to hire english speakers, but as most of the english speakers demand $12+ an hour to even decide to get out of bed that wont happen.
I do hate to say it folks but we as a nation have done this to ourselves by our unrealistic work demands.
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