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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:02 pm
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averagejoe wrote: Tad2 wrote: DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH wrote:   Tad2 wrote: I read a post about a checker at the East Rome Wal Mart holding up people leaving the store, and I remembered being in there once when this occurred. I live out of state and in all my trips to Wal Marts in different states, I have never seen anything like that happen! I was tempted to walk right around the clerk backing up exiting patrons, but decided I might need to stay 'in line' lest I get harassed for leaving the store without someone checking my purchases! At our local Wal Mart, if a clerk is busy checking a customer on their way out, we just walk around them and if the alarm doesn't go off, walk on out.

But, I believe the law states they must observe you completely outside the store with items you have not purchased, nor can show proof of purchase before they can arrest you for shoplifting. A clerk could get themselves and their company in deep deep trouble if they actually detained someone on the premise they had shoplifted with no actual proof they had indeed stolen anything!                                                                                                                                     
Shoplifting occurs at the moment of concealment,and yes, you can be detained before leaving the store.


So you're saying that if my child picks up something and puts it in his pocket and I only discover it right before I check out, he is guilty of shoplifting? You can be detained momentarily before leaving the store, but you cannot be charged with shoplifting until you are found outside the store with the stolen products on your person, or so that's what I have been told.

Maybe it's just me, but I have never been detained (like I was at your east Rome store) before leaving Wal Mart! I have stopped and let the clerk verify my items when I have a large buggy full, but otherwise, they just motion me on through.

You can be charged as soon as you conceal the item in the state of ga.  Walmart has never done this but Kmart used to charge people all the time before they left the store.

What can they do if you eat the item? This would be a form of concealment! But how could they prove you shoplifted without the evidence (baring any video showing the crime)?

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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:03 pm
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Tad!

Read this article!  As soon as it is concealed it is considered shoplifting!


http://www.romenewswire.com/?s=TJ+Max&x=13&y=10

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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:14 pm
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Rdnckgirl1973 wrote: Tad!

Read this article!  As soon as it is concealed it is considered shoplifting!


http://www.romenewswire.com/?s=TJ+Max&x=13&y=10


Read this article, especially the part highlighted in red!

Georgia Code 

 

§ 16-8-14.  Theft by shoplifting


   (a) A person commits the offense of theft by shoplifting when he alone or in concert with another person, with the intent of appropriating merchandise to his own use without paying for the same or to deprive the owner of possession thereof or of the value thereof, in whole or in part, does any of the following:

   (1) Conceals or takes possession of the goods or merchandise of any store or retail establishment


 

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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:54 pm
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She concealed the items without paying for them. Shoplifting.

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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 05:34 pm
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averagejoe wrote: She concealed the items without paying for them. Shoplifting.


You cannot deprive the owner of possession by simply concealing the item, you must take it outside the business in order to deprive the owner possession thereof. When you step outside the business you have illegally taken possession of the item.
Georgia Code § 16-8-14.  Theft by shoplifting


   (a) A person commits the offense of theft by shoplifting when he alone or in concert with another person, with the intent of appropriating merchandise to his own use without paying for the same or to deprive the owner of possession thereof or of the value thereof, in whole or in part, does any of the following:

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Tad2 wrote: averagejoe wrote: She concealed the items without paying for them. Shoplifting.


You cannot deprive the owner of possession by simply concealing the item, you must take it outside the business in order to deprive the owner possession thereof. When you step outside the business you have illegally taken possession of the item.
Georgia Code § 16-8-14.  Theft by shoplifting


   (a) A person commits the offense of theft by shoplifting when he alone or in concert with another person, with the intent of appropriating merchandise to his own use without paying for the same or to deprive the owner of possession thereof or of the value thereof, in whole or in part, does any of the following:
The keyword there being OR.  You don't have deprive the owner of possession to be shoplifting. 

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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 06:45 pm
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Tad go ahead try it and prove us wrong! 

A many people have been busted before leaving a store at.

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Rdnckgirl1973 wrote: Tad go ahead try it and prove us wrong! 

A many people have been busted before leaving a store at.

Yeah, have you ever seen it at WalMart? They check your receipt at the door. We actually saw someone (several ppl together) get busted when they stopped them to check the receipt and had EXTRA'S not on the receipt.:?

They were detained in the store and had never left it.


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I worked at a salon in Wal Mart and have seen it done more then once!!!

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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 08:10 pm
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JustMe wrote: Rdnckgirl1973 wrote: Tad go ahead try it and prove us wrong! 

A many people have been busted before leaving a store at.

Yeah, have you ever seen it at WalMart? They check your receipt at the door. We actually saw someone (several ppl together) get busted when they stopped them to check the receipt and had EXTRA'S not on the receipt.:?

They were detained in the store and had never left it.



I don't believe I want to test the people at Wal Mart, but the law is the law! If they arrest you without showing due cause, such as taking an item outside that you have paid for, they would have one hell of a lawsuit on their hands as far as I'm concerned!

I have seen children drop things into their mother's purse without the mother noticing it, would this constitute theift? I don't think so unless the mother went through the check out and walked out with the item.

If you are exiting the store and the alarm goes off they have a right to check your bags to determine what you have or have not paid. Many times it's the carelessness of a clerk who does not demagnitize a product with a scanner at the checkout. They can and will detain you if this occurs, but not arrest you unless the item is not shown on the receipt.

Have you never seen the Andy Griffith episode where they wait till the little old lady is outside the store before they arrest her? She threatens to sue the store when they approach her inside.

Consult a lawyer.

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Tad2 wrote: JustMe wrote: Rdnckgirl1973 wrote: Tad go ahead try it and prove us wrong! 

A many people have been busted before leaving a store at.

Yeah, have you ever seen it at WalMart? They check your receipt at the door. We actually saw someone (several ppl together) get busted when they stopped them to check the receipt and had EXTRA'S not on the receipt.:?

They were detained in the store and had never left it.



I don't believe I want to test the people at Wal Mart, but the law is the law! If they arrest you without showing due cause, such as taking an item outside that you have paid for, they would have one hell of a lawsuit on their hands as far as I'm concerned!

I have seen children drop things into their mother's purse without the mother noticing it, would this constitute theift? I don't think so unless the mother went through the check out and walked out with the item.

If you are exiting the store and the alarm goes off they have a right to check your bags to determine what you have or have not paid. Many times it's the carelessness of a clerk who does not demagnitize a product with a scanner at the checkout. They can and will detain you if this occurs, but not arrest you unless the item is not shown on the receipt.

Have you never seen the Andy Griffith episode where they wait till the little old lady is outside the store before they arrest her? She threatens to sue the store when they approach her inside.

Consult a lawyer.



I hate to be the one to break it to ya Tad, but we ain't in Mayberry no more. 

I do not have to consult a laywer.  I know that if the store caughts someone sticking items in their personal pocketbook, pockets, stroller with a child, in a bag from the store (I have seen severl of these tried before)whatever is concealing and if try to walk out the door......IT IS SHOP LIFTING AND YOU CAN BE ARRESTED.

They watch the whole thing normally.  Security does not just walk up and start searching people.  They have enough proof before they go up to them.

Ok, so the Sunday that I saw a man in a wheelchair at Sams drinking beer was not shop lifting because he had not left the store yet.  And the store charged him and detained him to charge him and had him taken to jail.

 

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Ok, so the Sunday that I saw a man in a wheelchair at Sams drinking beer was not shop lifting because he had not left the store yet.  And the store charged him and detained him to charge him and had him taken to jail.

 


You just stated what I've been trying to get across to you all along...They could not arrest the man for drinking the beer because he had not yet left the store. When he started to leave they detained him because he had their product in his body and was observed drinking it.

The point I'm trying to make is that unless and until you make the effort to leave the store with the product on or in you, they can't arrest you!

By the way, I fully aware we ain't in Mayberry ...but there are still some lessons to be learned from the reruns.

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Tad2 wrote:

Ok, so the Sunday that I saw a man in a wheelchair at Sams drinking beer was not shop lifting because he had not left the store yet.  And the store charged him and detained him to charge him and had him taken to jail.

 


You just stated what I've been trying to get across to you all along...They could not arrest the man for drinking the beer because he had not yet left the store. When he started to leave they detained him because he had their product in his body and was observed drinking it.

The point I'm trying to make is that unless and until you make the effort to leave the store with the product on or in you, they can't arrest you!

By the way, I fully aware we ain't in Mayberry ...but there are still some lessons to be learned from the reruns.


OK Tad I was being a smart a**. 

REAL STORY!

I saw the man in a wheelchair drinking the beer and saw him sit it down.  I thought it was kinda funny, because he had on very dark sunglasses and I thought he was blind at first.  So I went to check out the can and it was a beer can.   I follwed him to get another from the case. I then went and got a manager and she and I watched him do it again!  She went over got the cans, told the other manager to go get the case that he was taking them from.  She walked up and told the man that he needed to come with him.  She then wheeled him to the room and the police came and arrested him! 

I watched this Tad.  I have been a manager at a salon in Wal Mart and they have caught someone with my products in their bag with the Wal Mart stuff and they were still stealing stuff!!  They can do it!  I swear ask the lady in the article above I tell you that she will say that it is real!

 

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Rdnckgirl1973 wrote: Tad2 wrote:

Ok, so the Sunday that I saw a man in a wheelchair at Sams drinking beer was not shop lifting because he had not left the store yet.  And the store charged him and detained him to charge him and had him taken to jail.

 


You just stated what I've been trying to get across to you all along...They could not arrest the man for drinking the beer because he had not yet left the store. When he started to leave they detained him because he had their product in his body and was observed drinking it.

The point I'm trying to make is that unless and until you make the effort to leave the store with the product on or in you, they can't arrest you!

By the way, I fully aware we ain't in Mayberry ...but there are still some lessons to be learned from the reruns.


OK Tad I was being a smart a**. 

REAL STORY!

I saw the man in a wheelchair drinking the beer and saw him sit it down.  I thought it was kinda funny, because he had on very dark sunglasses and I thought he was blind at first.  So I went to check out the can and it was a beer can.   I follwed him to get another from the case. I then went and got a manager and she and I watched him do it again!  She went over got the cans, told the other manager to go get the case that he was taking them from.  She walked up and told the man that he needed to come with him.  She then wheeled him to the room and the police came and arrested him! 

I watched this Tad.  I have been a manager at a salon in Wal Mart and they have caught someone with my products in their bag with the Wal Mart stuff and they were still stealing stuff!!  They can do it!  I swear ask the lady in the article above I tell you that she will say that it is real!

 


OK Rdnckgirl...

I will take your word for it, but, I still maintain that if someone falsely accused me of stealing something inside the store, they better have me on tape showing I am conceiling it or consuming it. If I am leaving or am outside the store and I have a receipt for it, and am accused of stealing it, they're in deep sh**...!

I know charges can be filed against the store under these circumstances because I have seen it done myself!

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 Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 11:23 pm
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hey-don't mean to jump in but I'm confused Tad2-do you not think stuffing the items in a diaper bag is stealing???  TJ Maxx do have buggys- I wouldn't dare do something like that. As a matter of fact- My son and I went to Food Lion yesterday to get a couple of items-so I didn't get a buggy or a basket.  My son had a deodorant spray he wanted me to buy and decided he needed to go to the bathroom while I was still shopping- my hands were full, so he stuck it in my purse. I immediately rearranged the items I had in my hands and removed the deodorant spray from my purse-just a little common sense- i don't want to go to jail for theft.  I told my son not to do that ever again.

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