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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:17 am |
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| I posted an entry about this last week. I have been extremely busy for the last month and just got to log on tonight; I could not find my post. Can you tell me what happened to it?
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:18 am |
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| hmm i never saw it, but sounds interesting.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:13 am |
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| I will try to reenter it tomorrow.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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| I have never seen a post about Indian Graves. Sometimes things will post twice, and sometimes IE will time out and it won't post at all.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 09:38 pm |
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| I want to read more about this.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14th, 2008 07:21 pm |
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Remington Raider, Thank you for telling me about this web site. It is terrific. I also could not find what you posted about Chief John Ross's home-site and the graves of his father and child buried near it, WHICH ARE UNMARKED, and in danger of the CRIME of destruction with the W. 3rd Redevelopment that the City of Rome has contracted with David Doss and his partner, Tom Hackett [et al ?] to redevelope--or any other redevelopment unless they get an archeologist to protect the site--even then it should not be redeveloped into anything except a public park and with a reconstruction of the Chief's house, P.O., ferry, outbuildings etc.
Here is the page 433 of Gary Moulton's Collection of "The Papers of Chief John Ross", which shows the Memorial that Chief Ross and several others filed in the U.S.Senate and House of Representatives June 21, 1836. Page 433 of that book shows the part where it tells about the Ross graves near the home.
The western edge of the home was (as you showed in your posting) right at where the green and white hospital sign is today, next to Barron stadium on W. 5th St. between N. 3rd and N. 4th Ave. I have superimposed a transparency of the plat of LL-244 (from the Georgia Department of Archives, reprinted in RNT's 1997 Past Times Magazine) over Rome,s "Historic Preservation Map" so that together they shows where Chief Ross's home was, and posted it on my article about "Ross House: Rossville; Chief John Ross House: Rome, Ga." and I will put up some more soon. I'll show it below too.
Thanks again for showing me this wonderful site. Serpentfoot
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Posted: Sat Jun 14th, 2008 07:45 pm |
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Remington Raider, Here is a photo of an elevated lot which would have been around the western end of Chief John Ross's front porch on LL-244.
It is possible that the graves were here on this elevated site--something important would have been on the high spot because they did not have levees then (and he could not have seen his U. S. Post Office --for "Head of Coosa" before there was a Rome-- and Forks Ferry if there had been a levee. He had several outbuildings and worker quarters nearby too.
Or the graves could have been on the W. 3rd St. side of his house. If we can find some old photos showing "A great oak" that was once in an "enclosed garden" we would know more where to look for the graves (which were in the "shadow of a great oak" in which "peafowl rested.")
The graves would probably be about 6 feet deep so the foundation of the old houses demolished in this area probably did not demolish the graves yet but certainly there should be no more work around there without an archeologist supervising it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 05:05 pm |
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Here is the 1832 Land Lottery plat of LL-244 (showing where Cherokee Chief John Ross's home was there near his "Forks Ferry" and U. S. Post Office [for "Head of Coosa"--before there was a "Rome"] at the juncture of our 3 rivers. The GRAVES of his father and one of his children (and others ?) were near that home as stated in the Memorial filed June 21, 1836--see copy of that page shown above.) which I, Serpentfoot, have superimposed over Rome's "Historic Preservation Map" so that it now shows where Chief Ross's home was and where his family GRAVES are now in danger of criminal destruction, in violation of OCGA section 31-21-44 (C), by people who have been warned that the graves and archeological site are there.
That Platt of LL-244 is in the Georgia Dept. of Archives. The copy here was from where it was reprinted in the RNT's 1997 Past Times Magazine.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 03:44 pm |
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Although the City of Rome's "Historic Preservation Map" and other publications did not show anything about Chief John Ross living on LL-244 at the time they first conceived the W. 3rd St. Redevelopment plan--and when Mr. Yancey of the State Mutual Ins. group was considering the redevelopment--
After I, Serpentfoot, began notifying the city about the Chief's house, ferry, P. O. etc., and the graves of his father and child being near the home (as shown above), the City of Rome did then recognise that The Chief's "farm" was there and this copy of their revised Redevelopment plan shows they did then intend to recognize "the John Ross farm site" with a tiny "pocket park" where the tiny green oval is on the Redevelopment Plan.
That is not recognizing that he was the Chief [and was chief also after they were driven west on the "Trail of Tears" and until his death in 1868], and that does not show the Chief nearly as much respect as was paid to the illegal treaty signer, Major Ridge--with the 60 acre Ridge Ferry Park, and it does not recognize that the tiny green oval is where the western edge of his HOME, not just the farm was, and it does not recognize that some of the Ross family graves were near the homesite, but this tiny green oval "pocket Park" in the current plan does show that the city is now aware of that exact spot connected with "[CHIEF] John Ross".
I commend our present city commissioners and planner Ron Sitterding and previous official Jim Dixon and previous commissioner _________ for their honestly in giving that much recognition to Chief John Ross--which is more than previous City officials did. Any progress is better than none.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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Here is evidence of some more progress. That besides the tiny green oval "Pocket Park" for the "John Ross Farm site" in their current "W. 3rd St. Redevelopment Plan", the currect City Commissioners have now honored the chief with the "CHIEF JOHN ROSS MEMORIAL BRIDGE"
Often in the last several years I felt very discouraged, that the city officials were not even listening. That they were ignoring what I said. (They had rarely responded directly to my pleas that they preserve and restore Chief John Ross's himesite.)But when others: The Trail of Tears organization (of which I am a member) and the Cherokee Nation officials, and even "Chieftains" [which could not have a "Ross to Ridge Trail" without acknowledging that Ross was at one end of it] also called for recognition of Chief John Ross's property, our present city officials named this walking bridge for Chief John Ross--again I appreciate their honesty in further recognizing the truth and showing more respect to the Chief, and that that memorial was appropriate there [near his home and with the bridge on his property.]
Our present City officials have made progress in showing our real history. Therefore there is reason to hope that they will voluntarily drop the W. 3rd St. Redevelopment Plan and not commit the crime (OCGA section 31-21-44 (C)of destroying the graves of the father and child of Chief John Ross near his homesite as shown above.
That is sacred soil. The Trail of Tears also started there: There would have been no Trail of Tears if the Chief and his family had not been driven from their home. It takes courage to be honest and repent for past wrongs.
When I, Serpentfoot, stood at the SE corner of this bridge just prior to its dedication ceremony in Spring 2008, I was feeling gratful that there is hope, and I pray that our current officials, who have already corrected and recognized some of our real history, will continue to do so and not add to those wrongs with destruction of the graves near the OTHER END OF THIS BRIDGE.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 08:01 pm |
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Like a lot of other people, I am inclined to assume that public officials generally KNOW what they are doing, and that if they do wrong, it is because they are CROOKS. But I, and others, do not make that same assumption about ourselves: If I do something wrong, it was an accident, I forgot, or I just did not know.
I apologize to all whom I have offended by being slow to practice the Golden Rule. Being here nearly 75 years now I was, myself, ignorant of our true history until I started assisting a native American Professor at Berry with research for a book she is doing about another of the prominant Native Americans driven from here and I was shocked to learn that Chief John Ross's home had been on LL-244. I therefore should not have assumed that anyone was deliberately destroying or attempting to destroy the site. They were just slower learning about it than I was.
As I also take very little that I hear on faith, but doublecheck everything--including myself--all the time-- I also should have not have assumed others who seemed to ignore my warnings were criminal in proceeding with plans that would destroy GRAVES and our most historic and archeological site. Maybe THEY JUST DID NOT BELIEVE ME. Like me, they have to check it out for themselves before they can believe it. I of all people should understand that!
To be honest and fair, we must give others, including public officials and others we think "SHOULD KNOW"-- "The benefit of the doubt", just as we do ourselves, and any accused person--give them the presumption of innocence--not that IGNORANCE is an excuse for breaking the law--Still we must not assume they are crooked unless we see evidence they were informed and then still proceeded to do wrong.
City of Rome officials and David Doss and his partner Tom Hackett, et al (?), who contracted with the city to redevelope the W. 3rd. St. area, MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN they were contracting to commit the crime, under OCGA 32-21-44-(C) and other codes for destroying GRAVES known to be in the area, and destroying the historic and archeological site. They would have NO WARNING from:
(1) "GEORGIA'S ROME, A BRIEF HISTORY" by Jerry R. Desmond, Executive Director of Rome Area History Museum (Rome latest history publication), which does NOT tell where Chief John Ross's home was nor tell of his father's and child's graves near the home. (In Mr. Desmond's defense, he is from Maine (?) and drew on other histories and officials at "Chieftains".) (He did do a beautiful job of the astronomy and geology in the prehistory that is inevitably the beginning of history, and of what we know of native Americans nationally.)
(2) "ROME & FLOYD COUNTY, AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY", Sesquicentennial Edition, presented to the City of Rome by The Rome Area Heritage Foundation 5-19-1984, does NOT tell where Chief John Ross's home was nor of the family GRAVES nearby.
(3) "THE HERITAGE OF FLOYD COUNTY, GEORGIA 1833-1999" by the Heritage Book Committee of the Rome Area Heritage Foundation, Inc. and with assistance of the Rome-Floyd County Planning Commission and Teresa Gentry, Special Collections Librarian of the Rome-Floyd County Library: Source: A Brief Summary of Floyd County's Historical Sites, which does NOT tell about the graves. It does tell that Chief Ross was appointed Postmaster here 6-23-1828; that Rev. and Mrs. Caldwell taught school in the "old John Ross house" in the "4th Ward" (p-109)--and does NOT get any closer than that about where the house was. and confuses with: "...There was an establishTrail from Pine Log through the site of Oakdale to the settlement at Coosa where John Ross lived." (p-57, Item 139), (Surely that must mean the settlement at "The Head of Coosa" (Where CHIEF JOHN ROSS was U. S. postmaster, not ~16 miles west to today's community of Coosa.)
(4) Rome News Tribune story 6-6-2008 (p-6A), ~ SPEECH TO ROTARIANS 6-5-08, by "CHIEFTAINS" DIRECTOR CLAUDIA OAKES, who mentions the Ross-Ridge Road, the Chief John Ross Memorial Bridge, and "Ridge's home, the current site of Chieftains Museum, stands on the banks of the Oostanaula River on what is now Riverside Parkway." but does NOT tell where Chief John Ross's home was.
(5) Rome News Article (6-25-06), about "A NATION WAS HERE", by Michael McDougald, former newsman and former president of the Rome Rotary Club, tells all about Major Ridge's home, "Chieftains" on Riverside Parkway and the Oostanaula River, and his ferry there, but does NOT EVEN MENTION THE NATION'S CHIEF, JOHN ROSS, or where his home, ferry and P.O. were.
(6) "ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME" by Roger Aycock, gets closer to telling where Chief John Ross's house was but even he does NOT get any closer than mentioning it was near Barron Stadium and that it was "a 2 story house near site of today's 5th Ave. Baptist Church." (p-27). He does mention a 4-4-1834 Suit filed by Chief Ross against Thomas H. Clyatt for taking possession of the house (if you can find that case and research it.) and Aycock reprints a copy of a Dec. 1, 1891 letter from Wesley Shropshire telling about Chief Ross's family being driven out of the house [while the Chief was away in Washington fighting the removal] by men going "over the Oostanaula River" to take possession of it January 1835 (p-46-48).
(7) PAPERS OF JOHN L. HARRIS [historian, advisor to George McGruder Battey, III, and former clerk of the U. S. District Court in Rome, Ga.] in the Special Collections Dept. of the Rome-Floyd County Library, mention that Chief John Ross's house was on "LL-244", "in the lower part of 4th Ward, where the ball park and the flood-control dam are." (that should have been sufficient warning to David Doss, Tom Hacket, and the Rome city officials about W. 3rd.--provided they researched it in the papers collection--but when you have to dig for it --That is not sufficient warning.)
(8) HISTORY of ROME AND FLOYD COUNTY, published 1922, by George McGruder Battey, III, tells more about where Chief John Ross,s home was: BUT you have to do some research yourself by checking in the 1920 census and current census to find out where her points of reference on (p-36) then are today. Also you have to learn that the park she refers to is now renamed Baron stadium--and that there was at least one error there--when Battey called LL-244 "LL-237" (237 is directly above 244 and looked like the title for it. Harris reminded Battey of that error) But in spite of that slight error, BATTEY (p-35 and several other places) GIVES A CLOSER DESCRIPTION THAN ANYONE ELSE, of where Chief John Ross's home site was: In Mrs. Bradshaw's statement that the Ross homesite included what was then (1922) the school the school superintendant Rash's home-- today's 317 W. 5th St., RIGHT AT THAT TINY GREEN OVAL, "pocket park" to the "Ross Farm site" on Rome's latest W. 3rd St. Redevelopment Plan. -- But of course that's not a sufficient warning to Doss and City Officials when they'd have to research and update 1920 site descriptions to today's map and when the W. 3rd Plan's "Ross Farm Site" pocket Park does NOT WARN THAT THE WESTERN END OF THE HOUSE WAS THERE AND WITH GRAVES NEARBY!
(9) The 1832 Land lottery plat of LL-244 "THE PROPERTY [CHIEF] JOHN ROSS LOST", in the Georgia Department of Archives, reprinted in RNT 1997 Past Times Magazine, superimposed over today's map, (see above) shows just exactly where Chief John Ross's Home was and near which the GRAVES ARE. It also confirms Mrs. Bradshaw's description quoted on P. 36 of Battey's book. THAT IS SUFFICIENT WARNING.
Seeing that warning it would be criminal for David Doss, Tom Hackett and the City of Rome Officials to proceed with the W. 3rd St. Redevelopment Plan, which we must assume was originally planned in all innocence without knowledge of the location's historic and archeological importance or of the GRAVES there.
Because Rome's officials of late, have now obviously checked it out for themselves, and NOW KNOW THEY CAN BELIEVE ME BECAUSE THEY KNOW-- and have begun to recognize Chief Ross's farm site, and are now made aware of the GRAVES AND ARCHEOLOGICAL HOMESITE,which it would be a crime to destroy with redevelopment, I have hopes they, and David Doss and Tom Hackett will voluntarilly withdraw from the plan to redevelope it for profit and will recognize and protect and honor that sacred soil.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 06:44 pm |
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 They are determined to proceed with that deliberate crime of destroying the Ross family GRAVES and archeological site of Chief John Ross's home:
In yesterday's paper, June 20, 2008, David Do$$ said he did not run for DOT Chairman because he would be too busy redeveloping W. 3rd St. (near the homesite with the un-marked GRAVES in the area!)
Since they will not do the honorable and law abiding thing voluntarily, I will see if the Federal Court will stop them (The Superior Court un-filed my case there and probably that is just as well. I have given up on getting justice there anyway.
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